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Here is the link to the various qiraats of the Quran

Let me post the screenshots of sura 37:12 from 2 different qiraats and also their translation:

Hafs qiraat:

hafs

Translation of the hafs:* But YOU wonder, while they mock*

Khalaf from Hamza:

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Translation:* But I wonder, while they mock*

You can also refer to the video

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  • Please clarify what you mean: the idea of qira'at is that they are different in recitation (tajweed rules) and also in linguistics so yes there are many differences between qira'at in Arabic. See Differences between 2 qir'aat, Differences between Shu'bah and Hafs and What are the qira'at.
    – Medi1Saif ♦
    Commented Nov 24, 2020 at 14:35
  • The difference is the difference in the meaning of the 2 verses. The 2 verses convey a different meaning from one another. This shows a corruption in the text. I don't understand why my question has been downvoted. It's a legitimate question.
    – user3125707
    Commented Nov 25, 2020 at 7:42
  • No it isn't a corruption, but an addition in the meaning and this is shown in the links I've shared above. Here Hamza and al-Kissaa'i recite it as if the speaker is Allah the other recitations recite it as if it refers or addresses to our prophet. This was also a recitation choice of ibn 'Abbas (who confirmed both readings), 'Ali and ibn Mas'ud. Basically one could say that 'Asim here deviated from the common recitation from al-Kufa as imam al-Qurtubi confirmed in his Tafssir.
    – Medi1Saif ♦
    Commented Nov 25, 2020 at 8:08
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    I guess this guy is a disbeliever or ignorant! At least he's ignoring all what Muslim scholars thought and agreed upon for more than 1400 years. The qur'an ever since was orally transmitted scribe errors are therefore impossible and irrelevant here as none ever relyd on the written text. In other words Professor Shady Nasser from Haravrad University seems to be ignorant on basic knowledge of the qur'an and how it was transmitted and preserved since he doesn't make a distinction between qur'an and Moshaf. This is a real Facepalm moment!
    – Medi1Saif ♦
    Commented Jul 23, 2021 at 13:56
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    I think it is meaningless to keep up this discussion as you are blindly flowing a wrong idea instead of reading posts on the topic in which all this is covered.. Your professor seemingly 8s also blindly following claims of orientalist without having any insight neither in the history of compilation of moshaf which is one thing and the development of qira'at which is another. I doubt that this his path is any right. There's no corruption here. Read relevant posts or ask specific questions. I won't keep up this discussion.
    – Medi1Saif ♦
    Commented Jul 25, 2021 at 9:30

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Yes, there is a difference. Hamza, Al-Kisai, and Khalaf all recited it as عَجِبْتُ making the doer in this verb 'I'. In the recitation of the remaining reciters, the doer is 'you' which is the Prophet Muhammad (SAW).

There have been two views of who the 'I' would be. The obvious answer is that the speaker is Allah. عَجِبْتُ literally means "I wonder."

The question arises, how can Allah wonder when wondering requires you to not know about something before? The answer to that is Allah and the creation are not alike, and their "wondering" is not alike either. Wonder being at something you didn't know before is only a quality of the creation. Allah is All-Knowing all the time. He always knew before and after.

The meaning of the verse in this case would be: Allah wonders at the terrible things they say about Allah when clear revelation came to them.

Another view is that there could be a hidden "say" in the sentence. Meaning, "But, [say O Muhammad SAW] 'I wonder' while they mock."

The meaning of the verse in the case Muhammad (SAW) is wondering would be: The Prophet wonders at the revelation being given to him while the disbelievers mock it.

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  • But the most obvious explanation is that there is a corruption in the text.
    – user3125707
    Commented Jul 18, 2021 at 21:52
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    @user3125707 An "obvious explanation" to someone who knows nothing about this topic perhaps. But, it's not like Muslims believe the qiraat don't have different meanings. We believe that despite those slight different meanings, they're all true and come from God.
    – The Z
    Commented Jul 18, 2021 at 21:55
  • Well the people who seem to know "everything" about the topic failed to convince me that the obvious explanation is incorrect. In fact according to Professor Shady Nasser of Harvard University qiraats are nothing but the result of scribal errors. So knowledgeable people are in fact drawing the same conclusions. Another fun fact, nowhere are qiraats defined in the quran or hadiths.
    – user3125707
    Commented Jul 22, 2021 at 10:12
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@user3125707

Read this https://riwaqalquran.com/blog/what-is-qirat-in-islam/ it will help you understand.

The Qur'an was first without any marks or anything just the skeleton. Those were added later on and that is when there were different Qir'at and they share the same meaning but have a different lexical form they were written what was the easiest for the people who read it. Like if I were to ask you how would you call a person over to you? Maybe you would use "Come over" when someone else would use "Come to me" or just shout "Hey" same meaning but just in a different way because you were thaught to say that in different way than someone else and you would use what would be the easiest for you BUT it does not impact the meaning of what you are trying to say.

The prophet (saw) said : “Jibreel taught me one style and I reviewed it until he taught me more, and I kept asking him for more and he gave me more until finally there were seven styles.” this defines qiraat or am I mistaking?

The thing is there are diferent qiraat to make the Qur'an readable for the different arabic tribes of that time to maintain the beautiful recitation of the Qur'an and for non-arabs to make it easy to read.

7 to be exact. All are accepted by the Islamic scolars.

There is an opinion that the meaning of the verse is "But a wonder [grave with consequence], while they mock" instead of “But I wonder” by people who try to tranlate it literally and use “But I wonder” are wrong.

Supported by the explanation of Al Tabary = https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/tabary/sura37-aya12.html

Al Baghaway = https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/baghawy/sura37-aya12.html#baghawy

Al Qortoby = https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/qortobi/sura37-aya12.html#qortobi

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  • I am aware that the qurans were revealed in 7 ahrufs but islamic traditions also say that 6 of the 7 ahrufs were destroyed by uthman. So how come the 7 ahrufs still exist today? This means that the qurans we have today are not ahrufs but different versions of the qurans as a result of corruption in the text. Your answer doesn't address the topic that there is a contradictory meaning in sura 37.12 in 2 different qurans. One quran says "I", another says "you". Claiming that they have the same meaning is outright disingenuous.
    – user3125707
    Commented Apr 9 at 6:43
  • @user3125707 I didn't claim that. I said that it is translated wrong by people with the "i" rather it should be "a" this opinion is supported by Al Baghaway, AL Qortoby and Al Tabary. So the actual verse would be But a wonder [grave with consequence], while they mock.
    – Shahidullah Sarwari
    Commented Apr 12 at 16:31
  • That's highly disingenuous to claim that "I" should be read as "a". The text in the arabic says "I". The sentence is framed from the perspective of allah and shows that allah is amazed. If your scholars claim that the letter "I" in arabic should actually be "a" then it appears that there is a corruption in the text of the qurans.
    – user3125707
    Commented Apr 13 at 18:13
  • @user3125707 Watch this video : youtube.com/watch?v=8hj7u0F3yEg
    – Shahidullah Sarwari
    Commented Jun 1 at 14:16
  • the video you linked doesn't answer the question about the corruption in the qurans. That's because the words "you" and "I" are different words with different meaning. They are not a result of different accents. You are trying to compare apples and oranges. The words "you" and "I" are not the same as "color" and "colour". Please refrain from using strawman fallacies
    – user3125707
    Commented Jun 2 at 21:31

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