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Is the hadees in jama tirmizi whose hadees number is 257 is sahih or hassan or daif

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In this hadith: Abu 'Isa (probably referring to Imam At-Tirmidhi) said, "The hadith of Ibn Mas'ud is a Hasan hadith":

حَدَّثَنَا هَنَّادٌ، حَدَّثَنَا وَكِيعٌ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، عَنْ عَاصِمِ بْنِ كُلَيْبٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الأَسْوَدِ، عَنْ عَلْقَمَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ أَلاَ أُصَلِّي بِكُمْ صَلاَةَ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَصَلَّى فَلَمْ يَرْفَعْ يَدَيْهِ إِلاَّ فِي أَوَّلِ مَرَّةٍ ‏.‏ قَالَ وَفِي الْبَابِ عَنِ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ عَازِبٍ ‏.‏ قَالَ أَبُو عِيسَى حَدِيثُ ابْنِ مَسْعُودٍ حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ ‏.‏ وَبِهِ يَقُولُ غَيْرُ وَاحِدٍ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَالتَّابِعِينَ ‏.‏ وَهُوَ قَوْلُ سُفْيَانَ الثَّوْرِيِّ وَأَهْلِ الْكُوفَةِ ‏.‏

Source for the above hadith

Complete translation, which I got from (modifications were made) ChatGPT:

"We were informed by Hannad, who was informed by Wakee', from Sufyan, from 'Asim ibn Kulayb, from 'Abd al-Rahman ibn al-Aswad, from 'Alqamah, who said: 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud said, 'Shall I not perform the prayer of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) for you?' He then prayed and did not raise his hands except in the initial takbir (saying "Allahu Akbar").'"

Abu 'Isa said: "The hadith of Ibn Mas'ud is considered a good (hasan) hadith, and several knowledgeable individuals among the companions of the Prophet and the successors (tabi'in) have narrated it. It is the view of Sufyan al-Thawri and the people of Kufa."

So according to Abu 'Isa this hadith is hasan, but according to the Darussalam Grade the hadith is Da'if as per this hadith on sunnah.com

So, Abu 'Isa held the view of the hadith being Hasan while the Darussalam grade given is Da'if. Scholars may or may not disagree on the authenticity of some hadith in their grading.

It is possible that I am wrong, because I am human and Allah knows best.

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  • Sorry, but just copy-pasting chatgpt without background knowledge doesn't make you an expert. The hadith terminology which has ...let's say established today was unknown to imam a-Tirmidhi and all scholars till scholars like ibn Salah in the 7th century a.H. established a defined terminology or standard. What he possibly meant by hassan is that narration by no means reaches the quality of a sahih or hassan hadith, it is rather da'if, but there are some backups for it either in the doing of a sahabi or used as evidence by some scholars or supported by another narrative.
    – Medi1Saif
    Commented Apr 16 at 9:27
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Bismillahirrahmanirahim Audhobillahhiminashaytaanirajeem

AsSalamu ‘Alaykum.

Yes, Sunan at-Tirmidhi 257 is authenticated by:

  • al Albani (in his checking of "Mishkat ul-Masabih“ hadith 809)
  • Shu’ayb al-Arna’ut
  • imam al daraqutni, imam ibn qattan, ibn hazm al adalusi, imam tirmidhi (see العرف الشذي شرح سنن الترمذي ج1 pages 263-267)
  • imam an nasa’i (in his sunan 2/195) under his chapter “باب الرخصة في ترك ذلك”

And other scholars, such as Ahmed Muhammad Shakir, Abdal Qadir al arna’ut, Hussain salim assad, Adil ibn yusuf az-azazi and Ahmad ibn Farid.

This narration is also corroborated by another narration reported by Abu Hanifa رحمه الله through an authentic chain:

حدثني حماد عن إبراهيم النخعي عن علقمة عن عبد الله بن مسعود رضي الله عنه أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم كان يرفع يديه عند تكبيره الاحرام ثم لا يعود

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