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Salam Brothers,

I would like to know what is the status of narrator Minhal Ibn Amr. I have read somewhere that he was a Shia, but still many Sunni scholars accepted his narrations. However, is it true that some scholars like Imam Razi, Yaha bin Ma'in, Shu'bah, etc have rejected his narrations? However here is a Hadith Website that cites narrations from Minhal Ibn Amr:-

https://hadithanswers.com/how-many-days-did-ibrahim-alayhis-salam-spend-in-the-fire/

The Main Question Is: is Minhal Ibn Amr reliable narrator, according to Yahya bin Ma'in, Imam Razi, Shu'bah, etc?

Thanks.

  • Well we could only answer if there's such a qualification, ibn Ma'in actually says he is trustworthy and sometimes he adds from his own (da'if?, fabricator?). Imam Ahmad didn't give a direct answer but named another rawy he'd prefer instead. – Medi1Saif Jun 27 at 7:11
  • @Medi1Saif, I know that people here on stack exchange might not be that qualified to answer this question, but I really need to know if Yahya bin Ma'in and Shu'bah both rejected Minhal or not. You stated that Yahya bin Ma'in actually quoted him? Or Yahya bin Ma'in actually stated that he is trustworthy? If yes, then kindly provide some examples where he quoted Minhal bin Amr or stated that he is trustworthy. I plan to write a paper in which I will need to prepare a rebuttal to the Qadiani religion. I need to address trustworthiness of Minhal bin Amr in my paper. I hope you can understand. – Ren Jun 27 at 8:38
  • Al-Bukhari has narrated from him in his Sahih(too?) and Sho'bah (who was his student) stopped narrating from him because he thought having heard music and singing from his house. This is actually what was reported from imam Ahmad via his son 'Abdullah by ibn Abi Hatim in his book on Jarh wa Ta'adeel. Al-Bukhari confirms that Sho' bah was among Minhal's students in his at-Tarikh al-Kabir. Generally there's no major reason to doubt his trustworthiness. Note that all these statements refer to Minhal ibn 'Amr al-Asadi al-Kufi there are many other rawys with the same name. – Medi1Saif Jun 27 at 14:18
  • @Medi1Saif, can you please tell me where did Bukhari quote Minhal ibn Amr in his Sahih? This is important to me because I am investigating trustworthiness of Minhal ibn Amr and why Shu'bah rejected him. I have not come across any hadith in Sahih Bukhari who has the Narrator Minhal Ibn Amr. There is a narrator called "Abu Al-Minhal" in Sahih Bukhari 541. However, I am not sure if this "Abu Al-Minhal" is the same "Minhal Ibn Amr" we are talking about here. NOTE:- Different weak and trustworthy narrators can have the same name! Abu Minhal can be found here:- sunnah.com/bukhari/9/18 – Ren Jun 27 at 14:29
  • Yes my research on sunnah.com ended with the result that al-Bukhari narrated from him in his al-Adab al-Mufrad while the authors of the Sunan certainly narrated from him. Maybe the statement is about a hadith in the introduction of a chapter of the sahih or the term "Sahih" simply is an error or misunderstanding on my site. In the introduction of chapters or subcategories al-Bukhari doesn't quote the full chain and these ahadith however having a high degree of authenticity don't reach that of those he might quote later. For this kind of ahadith the search function is disabled. – Medi1Saif Jun 27 at 14:47
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The people differed on him, although the majority seem to have considered him Thiqah.

They include Yahya ibn Ma'in, an-Nasa'i, Al-'Ajli etc. Bukhari, Ibn Hibban and Ibn Khuzaimah have narrated from him in their Sahihs (where they only include authentic narrations).

His student Shu'bah has narrated from him, and it is said that he only narrated from those he considered thiqah. However it is also claimed that he stopped narrating from him when he heard the sound of music and singing from his house. But other scholars have noted that this is not a valid objection since it is based on negative speculation, he did not ask him about it so it is possible that there was some explanation or that Minhal was unaware of it happening.

As mentioned above, he is among the narrators relied upon by Bukhari. You can find his mention and details in Fath al-Bari's preface under the section: أسماء من طعن فيه من رجال البخاري, which is a section on criticized narrators.

Among the ahadith that Bukhari narrated from him in his Sahih includes:

حدثنا عثمان بن أبي شيبة، حدثنا جرير، عن منصور، عن المنهال، عن سعيد بن جبير، عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما، قال: كان النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يعوذ الحسن والحسين، ويقول: إن أباكما كان يعوذ بها إسماعيل وإسحاق: أعوذ بكلمات الله التامة، من كل شيطان وهامة، ومن كل عين لامة

... from Minhal from Saeed ibn Jubayr from Ibn Abbas that he said:

The Prophet (ﷺ) used to seek Refuge with Allah for Al-Hasan and Al-Husain and say: "Your forefather (i.e. Abraham) used to seek Refuge with Allah for Ishmael and Isaac by reciting the following: 'O Allah! I seek Refuge with Your Perfect Words from every devil and from poisonous pests and from every evil, harmful, envious eye.'

Bukhari

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    Good that was my second step looking for al-Minhal from Sai'd ibn Jubayr and other known sahabah (at least Anas ibn Malik) and tabi'yn he might have reported from. Well my impression so far is that he widley is accepted, but some of his narrations are doubtful. He us not known to be a narrator with a big repertoire nor as somebody who was seeking the audience to spread his narrations. – Medi1Saif Jun 28 at 9:13
  • I just would like to add here something. Is Minhal Ibn Amr actually different from Abu Al-Minhal who is mentioned in Bukhari 541? Secondly according to the following source, Ibn Hajr regarded Minhal Ibn Amr as a "Sadooq" narrator in Lisan Al-Mizan isnad.io/rijaal?query=al-Minhal+bin+Amr+al-Asadi&page=1 – Ren Jun 28 at 9:45
  • They are visibly different names, Ibn Hajr's commentary says that Abu Minhal is Saiyar bin Salama. – UmH Jun 28 at 11:16
  • @UmH- However, Tirmidhi states something really different: "And Abu Al-Minhal's (a narrator) name is 'Abdur-Rahman bin Mut'im." (Tirmidhi 1311) – Ren Jun 28 at 11:55
  • They are different persons. منهال بن عمرو is not سيار بن سلامة is not عبد الرحمن بن مطعم – UmH Jun 28 at 12:21

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