I came across the hadith below today. I am curious as to whether this hadith is sahih or hasan or daif because I have never seen it before used in debates.


2193 - قال مسدد: حدثنا أبو عوانة عن أبي هاشم، عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه قال: "الكوبة (1) حرام، والدف (2) حرام، والمعازف (3) حرام، والمزامير (4) حرام (5) ـ

Possible source: stream - pdf (page 230)

There is also this version:

عن ابن عباس أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم حرم ستة الخمر والميسر والمعازف والمزامير والدف والكوبة

(المعجم الاوسط ، رقم ۷۳۸۸)

I found this thread (https://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28650) where I believe this hadith is being addressed; however, unfortunately I do not understand Arabic and am unable to understand what is being written. Can someone kindly let me know?



The first hadith is daif. Moulana Suhail Motala writes:

"‘Allamah Dhahabi (rahimahullah) has declared a narrator unknown (majhul). This narration will therefore be deemed weak.

(Al Muhaddhab of ‘Allamah Dhahabi, Hadith: 16210)"


The second hadith is daif. Moulana Suhail Motala writes:

"Imam Tabarani (rahimahullah) has recorded this Hadith. ‘Allamah Haythami (rahimahullah) has declared one of the narrators extremely weak.

(Al Mu’jamul Awsat, Hadith: 7384, Majma’uz Zawaid, vol. 5 pg. 53)"


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