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I do realize this question has been asked before here: Why does Allah create someone whose fate is hell?

Yet I feel I should ask again and maybe in a bit of a different manner as I don't believe the answers on that post were adequate.

I'm wondering from an Islamic perspective, if Allah knew that some people will end up in hell, why go through with the creation anyway? What purpose does that serve for Allah?

Note: Some people seem to be confused and don't understand my question and they think I'm not understanding the purpose of hellfire and that it is to punish people who do wrong, when in fact all I'm asking is about the creation of those who will end up in hellfire. Please don't resort to explanations for why hell was created or why people go to hell, etc. This doesn't answer the question being asked.

  • Is your question similar to islam.stackexchange.com/questions/28133/…? – Muslim_1234 May 25 '19 at 1:56
  • No it is not. That question seems to relate to the concept of free will. This question pertains to choices Allah had given the fact that he knows the future. – John Doe May 25 '19 at 2:25
  • Did you get your answer yet? – Yusha Oct 22 '20 at 2:19
  • Why do you want the answer to this question? – Muslim Oct 29 '20 at 15:07
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There are a lot of assumptions you're making there, no offence meant.

Now, Allah is indeed omniscient. As for benevolence, we say He is the Most Merciful (not All Merciful). This means, more or less, Most Merciful out of all who show Mercy. No man should presume to restrict Him to complete and full ercy, and complete and full forgiveness all the time for everything. Allah has within His attributes the attribute of Most Just as well. How can it be justice to those who did serve Him to put those who did not serve Him at an equal level to them? All of His attributes are in harmony with each other and none of them conflict. Perhaps some take precedence over others, Allah knows best.

Allah created Mankind for the purpose of recognising Him, and then submitting to Him, more or less. That is by taking the Kalimah as one's creed and having at least some conviction in it. To that end and purpose, everything has been designed. All men will submit to Him eventually. Either they will submit in this world and attain Paradise within which to continue to be in reverence of Him while having attained His Pleasure, or to refuse to submit in which case He may prescribe for them Hell. In Hell, its dwellers will also be in submission.

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “It will be said to a man among the people of Hellfire on the Day of Resurrection: If you owned all that is on the earth, would you pay it as ransom for yourself? He will say yes. It will be said: I wanted from you something easier than that, for when you were still in the loins of Adam you were told not to associate anything with Me and yet you insisted upon an associate with Me.”

– Musnad Ahmad 11880 (Source: abuaminaelias.com)

Another version:

“Would you give as ransom the world and everything in it if you owned them in order to be saved from this torture?” He says, "Yes, I would." Thereupon, Allah will say, “When you were among the descendants of Adam, I had asked you something much easier than this sacrifice: not to associate any partners with Me. However, you kept on associating partners with Me.”

– Bukhari, Muslim (Source: questionsonislam.com)

It can be posited from this following Hadith, perhaps, that the existence of people of Hell may also have the function of being one of the factors that help create people of Heaven:

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, no one will enter Paradise but a soul submissive to Allah, yet Allah may support this religion by the hands of a wicked man.”

– Bukhari 2897, Muslim 111 (Source: abuaminaelias.com)

Note: I am relying on third parties to translate these Ahadith, and cannot vouch for the complete reliability of the translations.

I testify that if this response has any truth to it, then it is by the permission of Allah. Whereas if it has any falsehood to it, it is my shortcoming, and fault, entirely, and alone.

  • I'm not sure what you mean by "There are a lot of assumptions you're making there" as I don't believe I have made any. Also, your answer doesn't seem to actually answer the question of why would Allah create the people who he knows will end up in hellfire. – John Doe May 24 '19 at 21:21
  • @JohnDoe The assumptions made were: That Allah is omnibenevolent, and that it's not in Him to create people who He knew would go into Hell. In Hell, they would be in submission to Him as well. – Mu'in al-Deen May 25 '19 at 4:57
  • Every single person will end up in submission to Allah. That is my point. There's no actual evil end, since submission to Allah is the ultimate purpose and goal, and that is held to be an Objective Good, regardless of whether one likes it or not. Now some souls may require the taste of Fire in order to submit. Others may not, and are absolutely happy with submitting in Paradise. Furthermore, some may need to atone in the Fire before they are in a state to enter Paradise. – Mu'in al-Deen May 25 '19 at 5:04
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  • Just to reiterate, my question is about why Allah would choose to create those who he knew were to burn in hellfire eternally. It is not about whether or not it is fair to punish those who deserve it for eternity. We are talking about before any creation. What is the point of creating people who will end up being doomed? – John Doe May 25 '19 at 23:33
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(See also Qur'an 2:214, 29:2, 67:2, and 76:2, and probably other verses I haven't listed.)

Suffering is also sometimes brought on by sin, and this is mentioned in the Qur'an, e.g.:

And whatever strikes you of disaster - it is for what your hands have earned; but He pardons much. Quran 42:30

(See also Qur'an 30:41.)

Why mankind was created is explained directly in the Qur'an:

And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me. Qur'an 51:56

Unlike humans and jinn, angels cannot choose to disobey Allah (Qur'an 66:6, 21:27, and 21:20). So indeed Allah created a being incapable of evil. However, this implies that angels don't have free will, or at least have their freedom limited (Are angels free-willed, perfectly ethical beings?).

The question Why is there hell? has been asked before: Is there clear answer to the Problem of Hell? and Why did Allah create hell?, and the short answer is "punishment and justice"

  • This also doesn't seem to answer my question. Again, this has nothing to do with punishment and justice, I know what hell is for, that is not my question. My question is about the creation of those who will ultimately end up in hell. – John Doe May 26 '19 at 14:49
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The Answer is That,

  1. Because They deserved to be punished. 2.Because HE HAS THE POWER TO CREATE WHATEVER HE WANTS TO CREATE.
  2. He cannot be questioned about what He does, but they will ˹all˺ be questioned. Quran 21:23.

You too,Ask Yourself why would you give birth to a child after knowing that the child can will definitely die one day?

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I have a question to ask you; will by you asking this question get you closer to Paradise in any way?

Al-Bukhari and Muslim: Al-Khattabi said, “This tradition is regarding those who ask pretentiously or stubbornly about matters in which they have no need. As for those who ask about a necessary matter, because the issue has affected them, they should ask about it and there is no sin or fault upon them.”

If by asking the question doesn't have any benefit on you or bring you closer to Paradise then it's best to stay away from such a question

Now, as to your question as to why Allah created a person He knew would ultimately enter the hell fire anyway.

He can choose to do whatever He wants; He is our creator and the creator of everything

Now, in regards to you saying in your comments about Him choosing to create a person He knew would eventually go to hell anyway; we're people. We lack knowledge. Allah is the Lord of the whole universe and His knowledge extends beyond all things. He knows what is good and bad whilst our knowledge is limited. His knowledge is unlimited. He will only share with us that what He wishes to share with us.

Surat Ta-Ha [20:98]: “Your Ilah (God) is only Allah, the One (La ilaha illa Huwa) (none has the right to be worshipped but He). He has full knowledge of all things.”

Surat al-An’am [6:59]: “And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but He knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.”

Surah An-Nisa verse 19: ...it is quite likely that you dislike something and Allah has placed a lot of good in it. (The rest of the verse is not relevant to this topic but the point we can clearly see from this is we, including yourself, could think a thing is good for us when it's bad for us and vice versa whereas Allah has knowledge we don't)

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:2-6 This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah who believe in the Unseen, and are steadfast in Salāh (prayer), and spend out of what We have provided them; and who believe in what has been revealed to you and what has been revealed before you; and they have faith in the Hereafter. It is these who are guided by their Lord; and it is just these who are successful. Surely for those who have disbelieved, it is all the same whether you warn them or you warn them not: they do not believe.

So from this we can see that

  1. we can think a thing is good for us when it's actually bad for us and vice-versa (maybe your question arises from that) but Allah knows best
  2. we have choices therefore if we go to hell it's our own fault; you can't blame the creator (bearing in mind again that we are limited in our thinking) therefore we should just trust Allah. The believers are on right guidance. The disbelievers chose not to believe even when warned
  3. it's disliked to question about something irrelevant unless it was to bring the questioner close to Paradise

Wouldn't it just be best to trust Allah (knowing He is true) regardless of the fact He created a person knowing that they would go to hell? Maybe by living a life in His obedience things will begin to make more sense to you and you will be a person of Paradise, God willing.

May Allah guide you

  • The boy that Al-Khidr killed was destined to be a disbeliever the day he was created… [AlTirmidi 3150/3443, Abu Dawud 4705 & 4707] – user41856 Jan 10 at 17:24
  • Although he was destined to be a disbeliever; he also had choices and he chose not to leave disbelief and apostasy and thus by him staying alive for longer he would have led other people into disbelief. So as a Mercy from Allah to all involved including the boy, Allah commanded Al Khidr to kill him. The Qu'ran makes this clear. – Eemaan Jan 11 at 4:37
  • "One of Our servants whom We granted mercy from Ourselves and whom we granted knowledge from Ourselves” Qu'ran 18:65. In short, Al-Khidr explains the reason behind his actions: Ilal al-Sharayi’, vol. 1, pg. 60-61. Tafsir Nur al-Thaqalayn, vol. 3, pg. 283-284. Tafsir Nur al-Thaqalayn, vol. 3, pg. 286, no. 170-173. Tafsir Safi, vol. 3, pg. 256: Imam Ja’far b. Muhammad as-Sadiq (ع) describes these blessings “Allah knew that if he stayed alive, the young man would lead his parents to disbelief and he would become a source of corruption..." his death was a blessing for all, including himself. – Eemaan Jan 11 at 4:54
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Hope you well. This lecture might help to answer your question Why will non-Muslims go to hell if Allah made them non-Muslims

  • I think you misinterpreted my question. This is not about free will. I'm fine with Allah knowing the future and yet we still make our own choices. This is about Allah's choice to create those who will ultimately make the wrong choice and end up in hell. – John Doe May 26 '19 at 5:59
  • And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient, Who, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return." Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided. – Rifche May 26 '19 at 7:38
  • quran.com/2/155-157 – Rifche May 26 '19 at 7:39
  • I don't see how this verse helps to answer my question. – John Doe May 26 '19 at 14:48
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[As a very new to this type of site, I am apologizing at the beginning of my answer to this question if it seems harsh or fails to convey my thoughts clearly. This same question bugged me for years at a younger age. I am answering based on the 'ANSWER' given to me which I accepted (not at that moment, it took years as well when my life taught me the 'MEANING')]

If I understand correctly, the person asked the question is interested to know "WHY TO CREATE SOMETHING KNOWING THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY GO TO ASHTRAY?". I asked the same and got an answer like the following one.

'Why we created/produced toothbrush (some are very expensive which are shown in TV commercials) knowing that it will wear and eventually we will throw them out to the bin. The tooth will be clean and white and shiny but the brush which did it all will be placed on the fire (in case recycling is attempted). The simple answer would be: "That was the purpose of the toothbrush to clean the tooth". Otherwise, how would it be possible for someone to become Shahid (martyr for his faith which is true to Allah) and go to Jannah if none (most probably a disbeliever who did not like Allah and his commands) had killed him and went to the Hell? Everything Allah created has its own purpose and Allah knows best'.

Now that I read the comments (from the questioner) on other answers, I expect to be asked a very expected question: "Then why I am guilty of serving my purpose if Allah made me in a bad way or Allah wanted me to do it or someone will do it if I have not". My answer would be "As like in Schrodinger's cat thought experiment (hope you are aware of it) until I die and face the judgment, I have an equal probability for going to the Hell or Heaven (being a by born Muslim) same as a non-believer, who could do something before death which Allah accepts dearly and I can do the worst sin in my life at the last moment". If you still cannot catch what I meant, please read this https://www.virtualmosque.com/personaldvlpt/character/the-parable-of-the-prostitute/ which satisfied my concern about 'purpose'.

Finally, there is a slim chance that you are still wondering "Why create at all? Wouldn't it be better if there was no Hell nor Heaven and no creation, no test, etc?" I will say this to the question: 'Your maid who has the right (or authority given by you) to clean up everything in your house still cannot GO to the places which you deem private or don't want to be asked about it (as you believe in privacy and don't feel an obligation to answer every question). Then why as a servant of Allah we sometimes forget our places and ask questions as if Allah is obligated to answer all things (no matter how private like what was his WISH or PLAN) in the Quran. Yet Allah answered many things in Quran when people asked about HIM and such types of questions. May Allah forgive us all, gives us knowledge and sense and guide us to paradise and protect us from the hell-fire.

For 'If Allah gives anything, there is none to take that away. If Allah takes away anything, there is none to give it back' Allah knows best.

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    Thanks for answering. The issue here is that Allah creates a person who he knows will fail to believe, and will spend an eternity in hellfire, yet this person is created anyway. It appears very sadistic to me for Allah to create this person because essentially they are created for the hellfire. Allah wants them to go to hell by creating them to go there. – John Doe Aug 13 '20 at 16:35
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This is the simple answer, I had the same question, to show us His mercy, if you're not satisfied you can ask mme which part you font understand

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