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There are thousands of copies of the New and Old Testament, and yet we see that besides grammatical and punctuation errors, there is nothing changed in the New OR Old Testament. Then why do Muslims insist it's been changed? Doesn't it automatically debunk the claim that Muhammad is the messenger of God?

closed as off-topic by III-AK-III, UmH, goldPseudo Mar 4 '18 at 19:26

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    This question seems to be prompting debate. You should first establish that the claim "There are thousands of copies of the New and Old Testament, and yet we see that besides grammatical and punctuation errors, there is nothing changed in the New OR Old Testament." is 1) accurate and that it 2) disproves the Islamic position. – UmH Mar 1 '18 at 12:39
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    The Islamic claim is that the texts have been changed (to various extents) from what was originally revealed to the Prophets. The claim is not that a constant and consistent change has occured over time. The Islamic claim is not falsified since the oldest discovered OT fragments are from around 200 BCE, whereas the oldest NT fragments are from around 100-200 CE, none from the time when the Prophets lived. Complete manuscripts come even later. – UmH Mar 1 '18 at 12:40
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    I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it will result in a debate or defend-my-belief type of answers, for which Islam SE is not the forum. – III-AK-III Mar 1 '18 at 13:56
  • When you have a forum, you can't just brush aside all the topics. – Saad Sheikh Mar 1 '18 at 15:24
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    The Christian concept of Jesus as "The Son of God" is much more than just metaphorical and is shirk, though its also not biological. This has no relevance to the question, Islam.SE is not a chat room or discussion forum where one picks up whatever comes to mind and steers the conversation there, questions are meant to be focused on a single topic. – UmH Mar 1 '18 at 18:31
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The Qur'an affirms that the Gospel, sent to the Prophet Isa (Jesus), is an Islamic holy book.

Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allah . But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.
Qur'an 57:27

It also affirms that Christians and Muslims worship the same God:

And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Qur'an 29:46

However, the modern-day Bible ascribes Allah a son (Jesus Christ), e.g.:

29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
John 10

The Qur'an flatly contradicts this, describing it as an invented falsehood, e.g.:

They have said, " Allah has taken a son." Exalted is He; He is the [one] Free of need. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. You have no authority for this [claim]. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know? Say, "Indeed, those who invent falsehood about Allah will not succeed."
Qur'an 10:68-69

Rejection of the trinity and God having a son occurs throughout the Qur'an. (Consequently, Christians do not accept the God of Islam as their God; see: Is the God of the Qur'an the same god as the God of the Bible?.)

Since the Gospel was revealed by Allah, we expect it does not blatantly contradict the Qur'an, so it logically follows that the modern-day Bible differs from the Gospel revealed by Allah.


See also Why are some verses missing in the NIV? and How many 'Books' never made it to the Bible (Old and New Testament)? at Christianity.SE.

In short, the Bible is really a lot like, say, the New York Times best seller list. It is a compilation of what's "best". What's not included isn't trash- its just not in the same league. The same is true of the canon.
Affable Geek

(There's also disputed parts of the Bible, such as Mark 16.)

Muslims do not consider the Qur'an as "compiled" the same way the Bible was. We don't talk about things being "left out" or "included" in the Qur'an: We have not neglected in the Register a thing. (Qur'an 6:38). Instead, we think of the Qur'an as being exactly what Allah revealed, and He protects it: Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (Qur'an 15:9) While the Qur'an has various readings (What are the readings (qira'at) of Quran?), the differences are minor (Examples of verses of the Qur'an with two different readings?).

Assuming the Gospel was revealed how the Qur'an was revealed, we wouldn't expect this compilation process.

  • However, I would like you to have a look at this: jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/has-the-bible-been-changed This seems to differ, doesn't it? – Saad Sheikh Mar 1 '18 at 15:24
  • @SaadSheikh . Sure, the bible matches the one of a 1000 years ago. But, who compiled the first one? There were many Gospels which didn't make it into the canon. Are they all false? Who wrote the gospels that are in the bible today? Who are Matthew, Mark and Luke ? Think about it. No one knows who these writers were. Can we trust the NT then? – The Z Mar 1 '18 at 23:06

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