I've read in many places that he was hesitant to punish his killers, which eventually led to the fitnah and then his own death. If he'd had punished them possibly the battle of Karbala could've been averted. So can anyone please tell?

  • Shouldn't this be on History Stack Exchange? Short answer, because he couldn't. Muawiya R.A. demanded that when Ali asked him to step down, Ali replied he needed time but Muawiya rejected that and so first fitna started. Then Ayesha R.A. and Ali R.A. agreed to do that at the end of Camel war, but 10,000 members of his army proclaimed themselves to be murderers of Usman, threatening Ali. He couldn't touch them because they were the bulk of his army and his supporters and he needed to bring the empire into order first and fight Muawiya and Amr bin Al-Aas.
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    Commented Dec 21, 2017 at 11:17

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  1. It must be considered that Uthman was not killed by a single person, whom can be sentenced to death by the Islamic ruler. Massive revolution by the Muslims, ultimately, led to death of Uthman. Therefore, Imam Ali (PBHU) could not punish tens of thousands of revolutionary people. A revolution that Uthman himself was not blameless in creating it.

  2. In confirmation of this, the book "Siffin war" states that:

" Abu Amayma bahli (ابو امامه باهلى) and Abu Darda (ابو درداء ), who were in Levant, came to Muawiya, and said to him: "O Muawiya!, on what basis are you fighting with Ali (AS)? We swear to Allah that he was Muslim before you became Muslim, he is more worthy than you in ruling Muslim's society, and he is closer to the Prophet Muhammad (PBHU) than you. So why do you fight with him?

Muawiya responded: I fight against him in revenge of Uthman's blood, because Ali has sheltered Uthman's murderers. Tell him to permit us to reach Uthman's murderers and show them to us. In which case I will be the first person dwelled in Levant with whom I swear allegiance."

Then, they went to Ali (AS) and informed him of Muawiya's statement. Ali (AS) said: "If you want Uthman murderers, this is what you see." There were twenty thousand people or more who were wearing iron armor, except that their eyes could not be seen and they were saying: We are all his killers, they should take retaliation for all of us if they with to retaliate. So Abu Amaymah and Abu Darda returned and did not attend any of the wars, and this happened in the month of Rajab. [1]"

  1. This question can also be raised if Muawiya really wanted to defend the oppressed, why did not he rise up to defend and take revenge of Hazrat Hamzah (AS)? Is there anything else but he and his father interfered in that? And was not Uthman's death only an excuse for Muawiya to pursuit his political intentions?


[1] المنقرى، نصر بن مزاحم، وقعة صفین، ص 191، تحقیق، عبد السلام محمد هارون، القاهرة، المؤسسة العربیة الحدیثة، الطبعة الثانیة، افست قم، منشورات مکتبة المرعشى النجفى، 1404 هـ. ق.

You can read online this book here. (in Arabic).

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    While I understand this is the Shia view, I am afraid to note that this is simply not accurate historically. As for Hamzah RA, he was Hashami, Muawiya RA and Usman RA were Umvi. Muawiya had no close kinship with Hamza unlike the one he had with Usman. Muawiya was loyal to Usman and he even tried to persuade Usman to accept Syrian Armies in Medina. Naturally he felt suspicious when supporters of Ali RA murdered Usman and then Ali becomes Caliph. Even today, investigations begin with the person who benefits from the murder.
    – NSNoob
    Commented Dec 22, 2017 at 14:23
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    That in no way implies that Ali RA was in fact complicit in the rebellion instigated by the troublemakers, there is no historical proof in this regard and Ali himself did not approve of the murder and rebellion. But there can also be no doubt that the rebels were supporters of Ali and wanted to make him Caliph on baseless allegations against Usman.
    – NSNoob
    Commented Dec 22, 2017 at 14:26
           In the name of Allah, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful

Briefly speaking, De facto, Othman was not murdered by just an individual, that he/she can be able to be punished by Islamic ruler, but there was a great revolution from Muslims that ultimately was led in murdering of him. As a result, Imam Ali (a.s.) couldn’t punish tens thousands of people that Othman himself was not without fault in that.

Source and further information: www.al-islam.org and this


Muawiye and the appointed governor of Egypt were not really concerned about the murderers of Othman. Their main objective was getting the caliphate for themselves. The umma chose Ali (rdlhn) as the khalifa to succeed the martyred Othman.

This is verified by the fact that Muawiye never followed up on this investigation of who killed Othman soon after the death of Ali. Muawiye was the caliph after the death of Ali and he signed a non-succession agreement with Ali's oldest son Hasan.

Othman's relatives asked Muawiye at that point to bring the murderers of Othman to justice as late justice is better than no justice and Muawiye had rebelled against Ali for Ali's reluctance in this regard. Muawiye then changed his mind and never sought the justice for Othman's family as he was never sincere in this in the first place.

Ali had appointed his own sons, Hasan and Hussein to defend Othman but they were overwhelmed by the mob that entered Othman's home. Ali was more interested in preserving the unity of the umma than adding fuel to the flames of rebellion. If Muawiye had not caused the fitna, things would have calmed down and this justice would have been pursued in accordance with Sharia. Muawiye and his cohorts never allowed the Islamic state to form and instead caused fitna and civil war.


If hazrat ali sons were there to protect usman my question is they are the witness of the murder. Naturally 20k ppl cant slaughter a man together there must be one of two individuals who must have committed the crime. So if thet were there it was wat easier to hild them accountable only and negotiate the rebels to habd them over. Had ali and muawiyas forces combined and asked tge rebels to habd over the actual killers it would have been difficult for them to resist and incase of war could easily have been overwhelmed. It appears that ali considered the murder of usman justified and muawiya used the event to get power.

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