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Assalamu Alaikum.

I just wish to ask one of my doubts. I have been pondering so long to get an answer to my doubt. Searched a lot but still couldn't get a satisfactory answer. Due to lack of answers, i came to know that I started losing my faith. I wish to share it here. Please answer or respond anything if you got this.

My question is regarding the verse from the Quran chapter 67 verse 5 where it says allah made the stars to be thrown at devils.

'And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with lamps and have made them thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.' [QURAN 67:5]

well first, its not a scientific view. and its not something a person who has knowledge about astronomy accepts. well to my knowledge, i know that this universe has got a grand design. even skeptical scientists wonder how such a grand design happened. (it make them wonder if God really made it.) everything correctly at its place. there is proportionality throughout the universe. and we even came to know that gravitational waves exist. so if our star (sun) were to disappear one day it would disrupt the design and we wont exist (because gravity). in such a case how could stars be thrown at the devils?

So i started to see scholarly interpretation of that verse. hence i came to know that most of the scholars said that word (مَصَابِيحَ) which literally meant lamp refers to shooting stars and not stars. the below are some of the links where scholars says that it refers to shooting stars

http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=324712

https://islamqa.info/en/243871

https://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?p=99813

What is the meaning of Bimashobih in surah 67:5

https://versebyversequranstudycircle.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/tafseer-surah-al-mulk-ayaat-1-5/

http://islamicnewblogaddress.blogspot.in/2016/12/interpretation-of-verse-stars-are.html

if the above verse really refers to shooting stars. then its something which could be logically and scientifically accepted based on some points.

-but if we were to look deeply on the meaning of the word (مَصَابِيحَ) by comparing with other verses we could come to the conclusion that it has to refer to stars and not shooting stars.

below is the explanation why (مَصَابِيحَ) has to refer stars.

"15.Do you not consider how Allah has created seven heavens in layers 16.And made the moon therein a [reflected] light and made the sun a burning lamp ?" [Surah 71:15-16]

"And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing." [Surah 41:12]

"And constructed above you seven strong [heavens] And made [therein] a burning lamp" [Surah 78:12,13]

in both verses 71:16 and 78:13 (which are mentioned above) the word lamp is translated for arabic word سِرَاجًا ,while the word lamp from verse 41:12 is translated for arabic word مَصَابِيحَ .

So when we compare the ayaths we can see that all the three verses (mentioned above) starts by referring the seven heavens and then says about the stars created which are referred as lamps. so the lamp has to refer either star or some type or stage of a star.

next lets compare the verses 41:12 and 67:5

"And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing."[Surah 41:12]

"And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with lamps and have made them thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze."[Surah 67-5]

by comparing the above two verses we could understand that both verses mentioned lamps as adornment and made as protection by throwing at devils

from verse 41:12 (given above) we came to know that the arabic word مَصَابِيحَ referred some sort of a star.hence the arabic word مَصَابِيحَ from verse 67:5 also has to refer some sort of a star.

even when quran gives us a clear idea why it has to refer star, i couldnt understand how scholars could interpretate it as shooting stars. scholars trying to interpret it as shooting star seems to me like they are just convincing people by lying.

so how could stars be thrown at devils?

i am not saying almighty cant make someone do it.we know that prophet muhammad (saw) is said to have split the moon. but we know that its a miracle. but allah gave order to angels to throw stars if devil comes. hence it becomes a property. there is difference between miracle and property. miracles never fits with the data but properties has to be logical with the data from our observable universe.

i did heard an explanation from the website answeringchristianity.com that, it could be pulsars and the radiations emitted from pulsars. and those those radiations are referred to be thrown at the devils. but i felt even a mistake in that explanation, there is no preposition 'from' in that verse. hence claiming radiation from pulsars seems to contradict, because the verse clearly says "lamps thrown at devils".

so my question is, is that a scientific error??

i heard some people saying that, wait patiently till u get the answer. some day scientist would prove that verse. but i get irritated to hear such comments because. if thats the case, then i wonder christians are waiting for the day when scientists will prove the world that earth is really flat.

waiting for ur replies.


Note: sorry, the explanation which I mentioned above is wrong and is due to my lack of knowledge. But I wish not to remove it, so that people who may think the same way could get the point and undertand the answers clearly.

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    This question could use fully constructed and coherent sentences, proper paragraphing and a concise and clear statement of what the perceived scientific error is. Currently this is confusing to read and its not readily apparent what you are asking. – UmH Nov 12 '17 at 8:53
  • edited brother. is it ok now? or do i need to make it clear my points? – Mohmed Shahid Nov 12 '17 at 9:48
  • The typical attitude of Islamic scholars to this kind of thing is "don't take a firm stance on whether an ayah has X specific meaning that can be tested with the scientific method", basically making all of the Quran unfalsifiable. You'll have to make up your own mind whether that is a convincing position, and based on that, I think an answer to this question will be considered primarily opinion-based by SE standards. – G. Bach Nov 12 '17 at 15:15
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    This isn't an answer, but to find faith by seeking scientific proofs won't work. If you decide to have doubt, you will find reasons, however unscientific or tenuous, to support doubt. If you decide to have faith, the faintest whisper of support might convince you. In Islam, we must believe in angels, jinn, and that all previous revelations promoted tawheed or monotheism. None of these can be proven scientifically. Even if you agreed with me and other Muslims the Quran is free of error, if you are more inclined to doubt, this too won't necessarily convince you. The answers lie in your heart. – S Karami Nov 12 '17 at 23:50
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    Quote: "in both verses 71:16 and 78:13 (which are mentioned above) the word lamp is translated for arabic word سِرَاجًا" — It is the other way round. Qur'an was revealed in Arabic then its meaning translated into other languages. You are trying to reconcile three entirely different words: sirāj, masābīh, and nūr. In addition, one verse is talking about the sun, one about the moon, and one about the stars. Please clarify how you related the description of the sun's and moon's nature of light to the fact that stars are shooting or not in the verse in question. – III-AK-III Nov 13 '17 at 3:54
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I think this is just a matter of you throwing yourself into confusion with non-sequitirs (ie, fallacious connections). The false connection is in this statement you made:

"So when we compare the ayaths we can see that all the three verses (mentioned above) starts by referring the seven heavens and then says about the stars created which are referred as lamps"

  1. You acknowledged that verses 71:16 and 78:13 use the term سِرَاجًا and not مَصَابِيحَ but then you equate the two only because these verses with these words start with "seven heavens". That logically makes no sense.

Your logical argument: X has A. X has B.Therefore, A=B. FALSE !!!

(A and B could be two totally different things and still be part of X).

  1. Then you added that the verses "says about the stars" but the literal Arabic word for stars wasn't mentioned in these verses. Words like Najmun or Kawkabun do not appear in these verses. The only thing that appears is the word "Sun" (which is a star) BUT the word used to describe it (سِرَاجًا ) is a totally different word than that used to describe the missiles thrown at the devils (مَصَابِيحَ). Again, no equivalence.

So you are just confusing yourself, dear brother. I see no equivalence.

Further, it's another error on your part to allege that a matter of the Unseen is a "scientific error" when the Unseen is beyond the scope of science. There's no way for science to even verify if the projectile of shooting stars are headed towards any devils, because science cannot even detect the devils themselves, OR Angels for that matter. These are part of the Unseen. The Unseen is taken on faith; it is not meant to be "verified". What can be verified is when Quran speaks on this physical word (the Seen), of which there are plentiful verses. Those are the verses which "science-goers" should be focused on.

FINALLY - To me, this is a scientific miracle. Because to the average person (especially a 7th century Arab with no formal education), a "shooting star" seems to just be a normal star from what the naked eye can see. That the Qur'an makes distinctions (different words for the different entities) shows a foreknowledge that they are not the same, that the shooting star is different from a star. SubhanAllah!

  • "That the Qur'an makes distinctions (different words for the different entities) shows a foreknowledge that they are not the same, that the shooting star is different from a star." That argument would apply to any religious text referring to astrophysics written in a language that has different words for stars and shooting stars. I doubt that's a very Islamic position. – G. Bach Nov 12 '17 at 20:52
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    No, it wouldn't if they deemed the two things to be the same. – Muslimah يا رب العالمين Nov 12 '17 at 21:01
  • @LoveStrengthياربالعالمين sorry brother. i missed to note ur point. thats for pointing out. but there is also another verse from the quran...."Indeed, We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment of stars.And as protection against every rebellious devil. (So) they may not listen to the exalted assembly [of angels] and are pelted from every side,[quran 37:6-8] then what about this verse? here its used the arabic word الْكَوَاكِبِ and not مَصَابِيحَ . and الْكَوَاكِبِ has got two meanings as stars and planets. well i just saw this from almanaamy.com . i need more clarifications. – Mohmed Shahid Nov 13 '17 at 10:48
  • Kawakib is a broad term, which can refer to any general celestial entity (stars, planets, asteroids, etc). So is it correct to use it to refer to the meteors used as missiles? Yes. The use of this word does not imply that they are stars because the term Kawakib does not refer only to stars. – Muslimah يا رب العالمين Nov 13 '17 at 17:11
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    You're welcome. And inshaAllah, I will help as best as I can. – Muslimah يا رب العالمين Nov 14 '17 at 20:43
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There is proportionality throughout the universe. and we even came to know that gravitational waves exist. so if our star (sun) were to disappear one day it would disrupt the design and we wont exist (because gravity). in such a case how could stars be thrown at the devils?

Are you saying that the verse means that the sun is actually thrown at the devils? If so, then you are wrong. The word used here is masabih which is the plural of misbah so it cant mean the sun.

Even when quran gives us a clear idea why it has to refer star, i couldnt understand how scholars could interpretate it as shooting stars. scholars trying to interpret it as shooting star seems to me like they are just convincing people by lying.

so how could stars be thrown at devils?

Scholars who interpreted it as a shooting star are not convincing people by lying, they just know Arabic and you dont.

Ibn Kathir says :

The pronoun `them' in His statement, "and We have made them'' is the same type of statement as the stars being referred to as lamps. This does not mean that they are actually missiles, because the stars in the sky are not thrown. Rather, it is the meteors beneath them that are thrown and they are taken from the stars.

Here are some verses describing how it is done:

In Surah Al-Hijr verse 18:

Except one who steals a hearing and is pursued by a clear burning flame.

In Surah As-Saffat verse 10:

Except one who snatches [some words] by theft, but they are pursued by a burning flame, piercing [in brightness].

And the best one in Surah Al-Jinn verse 8-9:

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames. And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.

A hadith :

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When Allah has ordained some affair in the Heaven, the angels beat with their wings in obedience to His statement, which sounds like a chain dragged over a rock." (`Ali and other sub-narrators said, "The sound reaches them.") "Until when fear is banished from their (angels) hearts, they (angels) say, 'What was it that your Lord said? They say, 'The truth; And He is the Most High, the Most Great.' (34.23) Then those who gain a hearing by stealing (i.e. devils) will hear Allah's Statement:-- 'Those who gain a hearing by stealing, (stand one over the other like this). (Sufyan, to illustrate this, spread the fingers of his right hand and placed them one over the other horizontally.) A flame may overtake and burn the eavesdropper before conveying the news to the one below him; or it may not overtake him till he has conveyed it to the one below him, who in his turn, conveys it to the one below him, and so on till they convey the news to the earth. (Or probably Sufyan said, "Till the news reaches the earth.") Then the news is inspired to a sorcerer who would add a hundred lies to it. His prophecy will prove true (as far as the heavenly news is concerned). The people will say. 'Didn't he tell us that on such-and-such a day, such-and-such a thing will happen? We have found that is true because of the true news heard from heaven."

So by now I hope it is clear that a burning flame/shooting star (resulting from the planets and comets) is what is thrown at the devils.

And Allah knows best!

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You are equating Scientific and Quranic terminology which is wrong. At the time and place of the revelation of the Quran: the planets, the plasma balls they revolve around, comets, moons, meteorites and stellar flares would all be categorized under "stars" and anything that was illuminated could be poetically be called a lamp, regardless of whether the source of the light was atomic fission\fusion, reflection, combustion or something else.

With that said, the stars (plasma balls and planets) are not thrown themselves and do not pursue the devils. What pursues the devils is a شهب (flame) as detailed in several other places in the Quran:

إِلَّا مَنِ اسْتَرَقَ السَّمْعَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ مُّبِينٌ

Except one who steals a hearing and is pursued by a clear burning flame.

15:18

إِلَّا مَنْ خَطِفَ الْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ

Except one who snatches [some words] by theft, but they are pursued by a burning flame, piercing [in brightness].

37:10

وَأَنَّا لَمَسْنَا السَّمَاءَ فَوَجَدْنَاهَا مُلِئَتْ حَرَسًا شَدِيدًا وَشُهُبًا

And we have sought [to reach] the heaven but found it filled with powerful guards and burning flames.

72:8

وَأَنَّا كُنَّا نَقْعُدُ مِنْهَا مَقَاعِدَ لِلسَّمْعِ ۖ فَمَن يَسْتَمِعِ الْآنَ يَجِدْ لَهُ شِهَابًا رَّصَدًا

And we used to sit therein in positions for hearing, but whoever listens now will find a burning flame lying in wait for him.

72:9

The Quran also says that the stars help us in navigation:

And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.

6:97

And this would be for naught if they would be thrown about randomly to chase away the the devils.

Below I am quoting two classic tafsirs of 67:5 from Al-Qurtubi and Ibn Kathir.

They were written circa 1200-1300 C.E so the question shouldn't arise of them twisting interpretations in light of modern scientific knowledge. They were also knowledgeable in Arabic, the style of the Quran, the rules of Tafsir and knowledge of Hadith and tradition, so their view should be more authoritative than us arguing linguistics.

Tafsir Qurtubi states that:

قوله تعالى: { وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا ٱلسَّمَآءَ ٱلدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ } جمع مصباح وهو السراج. وتُسَمَّى الكواكب مصابيح لإضاءتها. { وَجَعَلْنَاهَا رُجُوماً } أي جعلنا شُهُبَهَا؛ فحذف المضاف. دليلُه { إِلاَّ مَنْ خَطِفَ ٱلْخَطْفَةَ فَأَتْبَعَهُ شِهَابٌ ثَاقِبٌ } [الصافات:10] وعلى هذا فالمصابيح لا تزول ولا يرجم بها. وقيل: إن الضمير راجع إلى المصابيح على أن الرجم من أنفس الكواكب، ولا يسقط الكوكب نفسه إنما ينفصل منه شيء يرجم به من غير أن ينقص ضوءه ولا صورته. قاله أبو عليّ جواباً لمن قال: كيف تكون زينة وهي رجوم لا تبقى

The pronoun of جَعَلْنَاهَا applies to شُهُبَهَا which is a حذف المضاف and the evidence for this is Surah As-Saffat verse# 10 and the stars themselves do not cease or decline nor are they stoned with (وعلى هذا فالمصابيح لا تزول ولا يرجم بها). And if it applies to the stars, it applies to their نفس and means that the star itself doesn't move but a part of them separates and is stoned with and neither does its light dwindle nor does its shape change.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir states that:

وقوله تعالى { وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا رُجُوماً لِّلشَّيَـٰطِينِ } عاد الضمير في قوله وجعلناها، على جنس المصابيح، لا على عينها لأنه لا يرمي بالكواكب التي في السماء، بل بشهب من دونها

The pronoun of جعلناها refers to the genus of مصابيح and not all of them, and the stars of the heavens are not all used to stone the devils but the شهب are.

  • If you meant that genus of مصابيح is meteor or shootin star then logically it's wrong because meteors has got nothing to do with stars. They are formed from either planets, moons,etc. but not from stars. But some flames or radiations from stars may seem logical. But I couldn't understand how you could say the pronoun of جعلناها refers only flames and not the whole star because just consider this as an exmple.. if i have ur hair and I buried it underground.. and I started to yell out that I buried you.. does that make sense? I mean, why cant they make it clear by saying I buried ur hair? – Mohmed Shahid Nov 13 '17 at 17:05
  • @MohmedShahid I don't say that, Ibn Kathir said that على جنس المصابيح. You are again confusing Quranic terminology with modern scientific terminology and imposing modern concepts on medieval vocabulary. The Quran was revealed in Arabic for the Arabs in antiquity, not time-capsuled for 21st century technical astronomy lessons. They understood all heavenly bodies to be stars and lights. – UmH Nov 14 '17 at 4:29
  • For the second part, you need more knowledge about the expression of the Quran, particularly where words may be implied and omitted حذف in some instances when they are not in other instances. I've added a link in my original answer. – UmH Nov 14 '17 at 4:45
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Actually, stars or contents thereof being thrown at devils makes more sense than meteors being thrown at devils.

From the Islamic perspective a devil can be any being, information, data, event, etc which casts doubt in the uma or mumin's mind or heart about the existence, oneness, mercy, beneficence, etc of Allah.

Recent data from experiments at the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) have revealed that the universe should not exist. The LHC is the largest and most expensive science project in history on earth. By accelerating protons and anti-protons to enormous energies and then smashing them into each other, they collect data to try and piece together what happened at the first few microseconds of the big bang. As you already know, the Quran mentions the big bang at 21:30.

This devilish recent data from the LHC shows that matter Anti-Matter symmetry would have been preserved as the Higgs field first came into existence. This would have happened in the first few microseconds of the big bang. Since matter and Anti-Matter came into being in exactly equal amounts, they would have annihilated each other a short time later leaving no mass to form the universe. The Quran tells us in numerous ayas that matter and anti-matter and other things are created in opposite pairs; male-female, dark-light, heat-cold, positive-negative, up-down, hayir (good)- sher (bad), and much more.

So the experimental data, as a devil, is telling us that the universe should not exist. What is coming out of stars that is thrown at this devil? This devil that tells us the universe should not exist.

Alot of things are thrown out of stars but if we are referring to normal stars like our sun and not exotic stuff like supernovas, black holes, neutron stars, etc. We can categorize them into 3

Cosmic ray particles

Photons (electromagnetic radiation)

Neutrinos

Neutrinos are thrown out of stars in huge proportions. 60 billion solar neutrinos pass through an area the size of our thumb (1 cm 2) every second. Unlike photons which are stopped by mass, neutrinos go right through everything since they do not interact with matter except some forms of weak nuclear force reactions.

Anti-matter can be created by neutrinos. In fact this reaction is the only time anti-matter is not created in pair with matter, as is the case when an electron positron pair are created when a gamma ray photon of sufficient energy brazes an atom.

Ettore Majorana theorized that the neutrino can form it's own anti-particle. Scientists in Spain are trying to observe neutrinoless double beta decay of Xenon atoms which would prove that neutrinos indeed form their own anti-particles or anti-neutrinos.

If they succeed, then we would know why matter-antimatter symmetry was not necessarily preserved during the big-bang or otherwise.

So the neutrino would then be what the aya in mention is referring to that is being thrown at these devils. These devils would otherwise confuse mankind about Allah and his creation.

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Assalam o ALaikum... Brother, There's a phenomena called CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) go check that out, the video about CME is available on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWjtYSRlOUI) and Nasa's website. When Quran says " And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with lamps and have made them thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze.' [QURAN 67:5] It is not referring to PULSARS but Coronal Mass Ejections. And you can see in the video (link above) that part of star's material(Plasma) is thrown like a bullet from a rifle. For more explanation watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW8Rsil0lqk

Regards

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