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I have been trying to understand why people in the West who are Muslim say that it's rape no matter if penetration has occurred or not. If she says stop in the middle and he doesn't they say it's rape?

According to Islam, if a man and women consent to sexual intercourse, they are both intoxicated and they are not married and she changes her mind in the middle of the act, is this rape?

It has always been my understanding through Islam that it is zina and not rape because the actual penetration is already taking place.

  • Do you have any references about any scholar or such claiming it to be rape? – Kilise Jun 24 '17 at 10:42
  • No that's the point, i am being called a rapist sympathizer because i said according to islam this is consensual and they are both guilty of zina, just because she changes her mind doesn't take away from the fact she already consented. – Cara MacLeod Jun 24 '17 at 11:03
  • For instance, if a woman is having sex and she changes her mind in the middle of the act, she screams stop stop stop (and maybe fights back), while the man continues and ignore her, would you call this a rape in your definition or just zina? I ask this because it is important that we define our terms, so we are in the same level. In that definition i think scholars would say it is both zina and rape in the end. – Kilise Jun 24 '17 at 11:09
  • It is Zina, even if she changes her mind. Calling it Rape or not, that is a totally different point – Haitham Shaddad Mar 13 '18 at 4:05
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In general, not taking the woman's feelings into consideration is rape. But how wrong it is depends on other factors such as:

  • Was this their first time together sexually?
  • Did they meet each other drunk or did they both get together first, then get drunk together?
  • Did she break up with him afterwards or did she decide to continue to date him?
  • Did she leave as soon as she was able to leave or did she spend the night with him?
  • Did they eat breakfast together the next morning?

I didn't make these points up. I read them in Cosmopolitan magazine. Many people have since disagreed with the article.

I strive to be a feminist, but feminism seems to be a moving target that changes over time. Since I'm not a woman, I feel like I should not give a definite answer to this question. I hope my points/questions help you find an answer that fits you.

It would be easy to quote a scripture to answer your questions, but I feel like you should reach an answer that fits your personality.

I recommend asking a woman when she's sober for consent to have intercourse with her later when she's drunk. Waiting until marriage (or engaged to be married) to have intercourse solves many of these problems.

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    Cosmopolitan magazine is not regarded as an Islamic source. Islamic scripture, fatawa, etc., is what we should be using to support claims. – Rebecca J. Stones Sep 11 '17 at 6:42

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