Al-salamu alaykum My question is: 1- quran says that, the flesh of the embryo is formed after the bones, while some scientists claim it to be an error and false, they form at the same time 2- quran says that the moon reflects the suns light while atheist and islam haters say that it was discovered already years before islam by an ancient greek philosopher 3- quran says the there are two seas whi meet but don't mix, while it has been discovered that they eventually meet.

All these claims of how the quran is not scientific or is not from god is confusing me as some people it's not scientifically accurate? I just need a giod answer so i can restore my faith in islam again.

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    I have seen most of the examples you mentioned, but I have yet to see any of these claims attributed to a Muslim scholar. If you have references to where Islamic literature by established scholars made such claims, please provide them for clarity, the clearly specify what your question is. It is not obvious what you are asking about. – III-AK-III Apr 27 '17 at 3:21
  • "quran says that, the flesh of the embryo is formed after the bones, while some scientists claim it to be an error and false, they form at the same time" Flesh forms before bones. – G. Bach Apr 27 '17 at 12:02
  • @G.Bach "flesh forms before bones": Do you have references to this ? – ZakC Jun 26 '19 at 15:27
  • @ZakC I did when I wrote the comment, but that was two years ago. Maybe try Medical Sciences. – G. Bach Jun 27 '19 at 23:33

The "scientific miracles" that some preachers have propagated such as embryology, invisible barriers between seas, earth being round, moonlight being reflected, iron being sent from space and the deep ocean being in darkness etc. are modern, out-of context and willful interpretations and not an established part of Islamic teachings, nor have the Muslims traditionally used these 'miracles' to give dawah. Some of these, for example the oceans being dark, were assumed to be common knowledge and that was the reason God gave it as a parallel.

The Quran wasn't sent as a textbook to teach science, nor was it sent as a technical documentation on the universe, nor were its observations given from human perception or physical eyes, nor was it directed at people who were to come 1400 years later.

The purpose of the Quran was to guide the moral and spiritual lives of the people ... especially the people of Arabia in antiquity. Its miracle was in its Prophecy and the mystical effect of its verses ... the Sahabah embraced Islam because when they heard the verses it evoked something deep in their hearts and they were inspired by it (the reason the Kuffar called it sorcery) ... they didn't pick up a microscope and started dissecting fetuses.

1- quran says that, the flesh of the embryo is formed after the bones, while some scientists claim it to be an error and false, they form at the same time

The actual Quranic verse is:

Quran 23:12-14 And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay. Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging. Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered (lit. clothed) the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah, the best of creators.

The Quran says that the muḍ'ghata (lump of flesh) comes before the bones are formed, and that the bones are clothed with flesh (the word used is kasuna instead of khalaka [created]).

Quran 22:5 O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then [consider that] indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then [We develop you] that you may reach your [time of] maturity. And among you is he who is taken in [early] death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit [old] age so that he knows, after [once having] knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows [something] of every beautiful kind.

The interpretation given in Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

(then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh,) which is like a piece of flesh with no shape or features.

(then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones,) meaning, `We gave it shape, with a head, two arms and two legs, with its bones, nerves and veins.'

(then We clothed the bones with flesh,) meaning, `We gave it something to cover it and strengthen it.'

(and then We brought it forth as another creation.) means, `then We breathed the soul into it, and it moved and became a new creature, one that could hear, see, understand and move.

Bear in mind that the purpose of the Quran is to describe the creation in a poetic manner to illiterate people in late antiquity, and not to give a technical details like a book on biology, nor to publish a research paper in the International Journal of Biological sciences.

2- quran says that the moon reflects the suns light while atheist and islam haters say that it was discovered already years before islam by an ancient greek philosopher

The Quran doesn't explicitly state that the moon reflects light. Preachers derive this from the fact that the sun and stars are called "lamps" in the Quran while moon is not. They also argue that nur always means reflected light, which isn't something that I've ever found in any tafsir or arabic dictionary.

3- quran says the there are two seas whi meet but don't mix, while it has been discovered that they eventually meet.

The verses of the Quran are:

Quran 55:19-21 He released the two seas, meeting [side by side]; Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses. So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?

Quran 25:53 And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition.

The two seas mean fresh water, for example rivers, lakes, springs etc. and sea water, though there are also interpretations that this means clouds\rainwater and the water on the earth. The partition between them is usually understood to mean the dry land separating them. The partition prevents them from mixing, as in contaminating the fresh-water ... and its common sense that one could fill-up a basket of fresh-water and pour it in the sea ... and its common sense that evaporation and rain etc. would cause molecules to mix ... the point is that the body of freshwater is not salinated and the sea water is not purified by their mixing.

From Tafsir Ibn Kathir:

(meeting together.) Ibn Zayd said, "He prevents them from meeting by the dividing barrier He placed between them to separate them.'' The two seas are the fresh and salty waters, the former coming from running rivers. We discussed this topic in Surat Al-Furqan when explaining Allah's statement;

(And it is He Who has let free the two seas: one palatable and sweet, and the other salty and bitter; and He has set a barrier and a complete partition between them.)(25:53) Allah said,

(Between them is a barrier which none of them can transgress.) meaning, He has placed a barrier of land between these two types of waters, so that they do not transgress upon each other, which would spoil the characteristics they were created with.

  • It's not correct to say that these interpretations are modernist misreadings or to suggest that the Quran has nothing to say about observable reality. Ibn Kathir comments on 22:12ff. as reading it as embryology and cites ahadith that describe the stages in the womb. You'll find readings of Quranic verses or ahadith as accurately describing reality in classical scholarship while modern science shows those claims to be false. Modern Muslim apologists tried to incorporate scientific findings into their rhetoric. – G. Bach Apr 27 '17 at 12:16
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    @G.Bach You are misunderstanding my answer. What I said was that interpreting these the way "scientific miracle" preachers do and presenting them as esoteric secret knowledge rather than common observations (and hence signs and parallels for the common people to see) is not the mainstream interpretation of classical Islam. The stages of creation are what people already observed from premature abortions, butchery and warfare ... The barrier between the two seas is dry land separating and hence preserving the fresh-water reserves from the sea ... and not salinity gradients. – UmH Apr 27 '17 at 15:33
  • <comments deleted> Comments are intended for constructive criticism and seeking clarification, not for argument and debate. – goldPseudo Apr 27 '17 at 16:21

I think the confusion here is based on the misunderstanding of the two types of knowledge in the Quran. "Akil" or "flowing knowledge" that mankind can acquire by reasoning, deduction, scientific method, etc, which the striving for and attainment of which is a form of virtue; and "Nakil", transported knowledge, which is transcendent and can only come from Allah's messengers (pbut).

The ayas that are cited here are "akil". Let us not forget that many of these have deeper allegorical and spiritual meanings that are far more important than the physical science meanings. You can write several volumes on the metaphorical, allegorical, and spiritual meanings of the separate waters or seas for example.

When the Quran mentions in surah Yaseen about putting a wall in front of them and behind them, physical walls are obviously not being referred to. The Quran encourages mankind to look around you (observations) and use your "akil" to recognize the ayahs (signs) of Allah all around us in nature. Obtaining "akil" knowledge and wisdom is highly encouraged in Islam, and those who have acquired much of it are known as "alim".

As much as the many "akil" knowledge verses of the Quran never cease to amaze us, the main purpose of the Quran and our prophet is to convey "nakil", the "transported" knowledge that save being revealed through a prophet, we would never know. The main purpose of the the Quran as "nakil" knowledge conveyance is evident in the very first surah revealed to our prophet (pbuh)

AL-ALAQ 96: (3) Read, and your Lord is the All-Munificent (4) Who has taught (mankind) by the pen (5) Taught mankind what he did not know

If Allah did not send his messenger to give us the "nakil" knowledge of how to perform salah and fasting, for example, we would never know it, no matter how much we search for it. This blessed "nakil" knowledge is indeed a great guidance and mercy from our lord.

All this knowledge is of little benefit to those that do not apply it. The "akil" knowledge enforces our faith that is based on solid, uninterrupted application of the "nakil" knowledge in our lives. The twine go together through practice. Islam is a religion of action and participation. If you are practicing all the tenants: 5 daily salahs, fasting, charity, etc, your faith should be increasing. Are you?

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