I want you guys to prove it to me that the Quran is perfectly preserved. When I say this, I mean I want you to prove it to me that there is an absolute 0% chance that any verse/surah was removed, lost, added or altered since Muhammad (s.a.w.) passed away.

I want you to convince me that every single ayah that was revealed to Muhammad is in our Quran today in its perfect form.

Use as many sources as you like. They must all be authentic and unambiguous.

And please don't misinterpret my motif for this question. I'm not bashing Islam. I'm just trying to increase my imaan. So please don't take this the wrong way.

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    This can't be proven more than it has been done in several posts you've asked in this site yourself as there are statements of some sects and sahaba pretending that such and such verse or surah have been removed or that this verse has been part of the Quran at a time etc. The Quran in his final version however is approaved by the ummah we can't say more than that. – Medi1Saif Nov 9 '16 at 10:50
  • Salam, I have wrote an answer. I would like to know if that solved your problem. – Sakib Arifin Nov 9 '16 at 18:49
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    Do you believe the holocaust took place? Can you prove it? If you can't, does it mean it never took place? – Kilise Nov 9 '16 at 19:30
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    Kilise has a point (Mulsim) historical sources all are in consensus about the revelation, the last presentation (al-'arda al-Akhira) or recitation in front of the Prophet (which with historical certainty Zaid ibn Thabet has been part of), the first collection at the time of Abu Bakr and the 2nd at the time of 'Othmane all of this has been covered in former answers (some of them to your Questions). So I don't understand why you insist on a "new" answer? – Medi1Saif Nov 10 '16 at 8:42
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    @curiosity be aware that we want to help but you seem to hide information, seem to be hasty with answers, seem not to be clear about your questions ... and finally that maybe we just are not able to help especially if we can't get a feedback or we just have not the necessary knowledge I'd prefer not to say anything instead of saying something wrong or which might cause harm! – Medi1Saif Nov 10 '16 at 13:48

According to currently available evidence, it can't be proven that the Quran is perfectly preserved. And it can't be disproved either. There is not enough evidence available for what you are asking. In Islam, we believe in Allah which is not proven, we believe in angels which isn't proven and we believe in a lot that isn't proven. They aren't proven with scientific evidence, but we believe in them because they logically make sense.

Allah said in the Quran:

This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -

Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

If there was prove of all the things said in the Quran, then Islam wouldn't be a religion. It would have been recognized as facts by scientists and all people of earth would have believed it.

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    "They aren't proven, but they can't be disproved." This is false. Taking human evolution, which all scholars say outright contradicts the quran, disproves the quran and therefore islam. Saying anything other than that is only possible within some non-orthodox sect that completely ignores the huge corpus of ahadith on adam and hawa and the position of the mufassirun that adam was literally formed from some sort of soil without having any predecessor. The whole science-in-the-quran-narrative is only appealing to people who do not actually look into it, it has been refuted thoroughly. – G. Bach Nov 9 '16 at 19:31
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    "However, I have never known or heard of any book that's data test results referred to so many mathematical repetitions that may indicate to things that were discovered after it was written." Can you explain what "things that were discovered after it was written" and what "mathematical repetitions" you are referring to? Note that one, it could be constructed that way specifically, and two, "mathematical repetition" was never mentioned by anyone and appears to be symptomatic of the human mind's bias to find patterns even where there are none. – G. Bach Nov 9 '16 at 19:35
  • @G.Bach I think we should discuss it on chat. – Sakib Arifin Nov 10 '16 at 10:14
  • I opened a chatroom. But let me not leave one thing uncontradicted here: evolution is a theory in exactly the same sense in which gravity, heliocentrism, electromagnetism and optics are theories. "Theory" in science doesn't mean "wild guess equally likely true as not", it means "well-substantiated explanation for what we see happening in reality", and the scientific theory of evolution is as well-substantiated as any other scientific theory we have. In the chat, I'd be interested to see the names of any scholars who fully accept that adam and hawa did not exist or had parents. – G. Bach Nov 10 '16 at 11:46
  • Let us continue this discussion in chat. – G. Bach Nov 10 '16 at 11:46

The fact that you stated "I'm just trying to increase my imaan." in your question is a very precious thing and it is also something I had done a lot and continue to do when I think of Allah, Islam and Quran related topics.

I have no personal information or observation to prove that Quran we have today is what Quran was at our Prophet's time (I honestly don't think any information or "proof" you can find will satisfy you). We can't even prove 100% that a novel of Tolstoy is exactly the same as it was published just one and a half century ago. Not because it can't be proven, but we simply don't have the information and technology required for it. However I have a very important thing to stick to: I believe in everything that's said in Quran with my full heart, though I still think deeply about some verses to understand them better.

What I understand from Verse 9 of Surah 15 is that Quran is and will be protected by Allah. Once I accept and believe in that, then there remains no doubt for me whether Quran was ever changed or not.

Human psychology usually requires visual, touchable evidence, especially in belief related topics (even some prophets asked Allah to show them something to satisfy their hearts - Verse 2:260), but what is so precious about belief is that we believe without having all the evidences, proof we require. Believing in Allah won't matter at one moment, you know what that moment is? The Judgment Day, where everyone will be provided with the evidence they needed, but it will be too late to believe as it has no meaning anymore.

My answer may not be the answer you seek but I recommend that you read Quran again and again, especially the first verse I mentioned, so that some of your questions may be answered in time by Allah's own words.


if you ask one by one hafidz/hafidzah (the memorizer of Qur'an) there's no difference of Qur'an about their memorizes