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Before I start, please note that I'm a Muslim and have always been one. I pray regularly without missing a single Salah. I'm not a rebellious person who's just trying to prove islam wrong either. And I try my best to not be ignorant. It's not like this is a new question in my head. I've had this question for years, but it never affected my prayers or kept me from believing. Perhaps because I never answered it and kept postponing it for a later time, or perhaps because I completely ignored it and kept worshipping Allah nonetheless. I've been a practising muslim for years. But recent events in my life have caused me to not be able to ignore this question. And why wouldn't they?

I mean, Islam unquestionably has a huge impact on my life. Be it the way I dress, the way I interact with people, the way I earn etc. I'm supposed to keep myself from doing so many things, restrict my self in so many ways that I wouldn't have to otherwise. I'm supposed to do all that, and I can't even get a single clear proof of it being true? I'm supposed to do all that on just blind faith?

Sure, you have "clear proofs" like 1)the Quran being miraculous in it's linguistic nature 2) it being unchanged and unedited for 1400 years 3) It made true prophecies and of course, 4) the scientific miracles (let's not get into that).

But none of those are proofs FOR ME. I mean, they might be true, but how am I supposed to know? I'm not an arab to see the Quran's linguistic miracle. Is that only for the Arabs to see? What about the rest of the world? Are we literally just supposed to take their word for it? They say no human has been able to beat it. Well that might be, but even if that's the case, how is it miraculous? That just makes it a fine peace of unbeaten work, not a miracle. Isn't a miracle something that when seen, you are sure it's a miracle? And regarding the Quran being unchanged for 1400 years and it making prophecies, I wasn't there to see that. All I've seen is people tell me stories. That's no proof for me. I've just been around for 20 years. How can I judge the legitimacy of a 1400 year old book and it's prophecies? Get to know about them from other people who haven't seen anything themselves either?

See that's the thing. Those "countless clear proofs" I have are just words from other people. The Hadith that describe the prophet and his miracles, how can we be sure about them?

When I see other people, even Muslims sometimes, who don't really care about religion.... I've come to realize that they do so not because they're arrogant. It's that they just can't know if it really is true. The Quran and Hadith mention so many ways in which the disbelievers are going to be tormented for disbelieving, but here's the thing: Is god going to punish us if we disbelieve when we just couldn't have known if Islam even was his religion? I mean no one would want to be tormented forever whatever the cost in this world. The disbelievers do what they do not because they aren't afraid of God or anything (why would anyone be not afraid of God), they do it just because they have no evidence for believing.

I'm in no way saying that Islam is false, I'm just saying that I don't have any proof to back my beliefs up with. It's just blind faith for me. Of course I could rationalize Islam to myself, but rationalization can only go so far. In the end you could rationalize most beliefs to yourself if you WANTED them to be the truth. I don't want that.

It's not like I just want to be happy and have a headache-less life. I really don't care about how happy I am in this world. I don't really care about what I can or cannot have as long as I'm sure about my beliefs. But leaving so many pleasures and opportunities just for something that can't even prove itself obviously is not working for me. It's not like I'm unhappy doing and resisting what the religion says. I'm totally fine doing WHATEVER god asks me to do. It's just that it should be true. Not stories from other people. How can I be absolutely sure and doubtless about Islam? Is that even possible? You Muslims who have no problem with your beliefs, what is it that you know that I don't?

Again, I have no problem in completely doing whatever God's religion says. It's just that I should at least know if it really is true. Just like everyone else in the world.

  • About the hadith, there are well made ways of passing them from one person(muhadith - one who memorises hadith) to another in a well documented manner, which is rigorously tested graded and classified. Like Sahih hadith. So is the case with Quran. – user9301 Jul 14 '16 at 16:53
  • @yawar You see there's the problem, neither I nor you have experienced the events the ahadith state. My question was asking for a proof that WE could use as basis for our belief. But we seemingly (at least as far as my extremely limited knowledge is concerned) have none. Us people living right now, we have just HEARD about the miracles of our prophet (saw). Of course if we could be 100% sure that the ahadith are true, and not manmade, this question would have never come up. But we aren't sure about them. That's not to say that they are false. They might be true, but we just don't know. – Waqar Ansari Jul 14 '16 at 18:29
  • And how can I sacrifice so much of my life for something that I "don't know" about? – Waqar Ansari Jul 14 '16 at 18:31
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    According to your logic you should also reject about anything people might say like anything which is said in history, but any historical proof can only be based on what has been left from that time: like books, letters, where you may find statement of people of the time, yes you could reject them as some information might be contradictory. So a bit of criticism is always good as Allah asks us to use our mind in many verses of the Quran. But on the other hand Islam is a belief, so here it's in first place your heart who should be addressed and the best evidence for that is your faith. – Medi1Saif Jul 15 '16 at 6:20
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    @WaqarAnsari I'm really sad for what you're going through. After I read your question, it occurred to me that all four points you have made are examples of the same thing: miracle. I began to ask myself whether there is anything other than miracle that could attest to the validity of the Qur'an. I couldn't think of anything, so I posted the question here on SE. It seems no one else could think of anything. I think the closest you will get to the proof you're looking for is miracle. Or rather, as you have pointed out, the reports of miracle. Sorry for your difficulty. – SaganRitual Jul 20 '16 at 5:25
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@WaqarAnsari, I get the point, the thing is how do I trust something that I haven't seen. You haven't seen me, nor I you, but if I tell you that I trust you to say the truth here regarding what you did yesterday. You may be honest or lie to me, I won't know either way, but I said I trust you to be honest. It is something that is natural in humans, but if you were with me and if you lied, I will know right away. The passing of ahadith and Quran is based on a rigourous method, where the chain of narrators of a single hadith is traced back to prophet Muhummad sallallahu alayhi wasalam, The personality of each link in the chain is verified (for honesty or crimes committed - a full fledged background check, deep into charechter and personal life). Also the hadith is tallied from multiple chains(if available) or verified from multiple sources. It is all trust based. Same is the case with Quran, there are Old scripts of Quran and new ones, the only way for Quran to remain corruption free is to see if old and new script tallies. How do we know the old scripture is genuine. Well it tallies with what was passed orally from prophet Muhummad sallallahu alayhi wasalam from that time till now. Through thousands of chains. And all tally with each other over such a long duration of time. It is possible only when all are correct and retrieve the integrity of text. This is all logic based. Now let's say someone who is in the chain forgets to pass a simple detail in hadith or a verse in Quran to the next link in due course of time. The next link will have to go through a exam(compulsory even today ) which is a really difficult (I mean it) exam to be qualified as a good link before being added to the chain of narrators. If you would like to see this process in action. I would suggest to visit an Islamic university (not school or 'madrasa') to see how this process happens (The most famous being Al-Azhar university in Cairo, Egypt). The one who qualifies it is awarded a degree similar to other university degrees like undergrad (say memorising Quran in Arabic) and post-grad( say memorising Quran in Arabic with understanding of it's meaning and 'tafsir' or interpretation in any language(s)) or PhD (writing your own interpretation or likewise).

How can I be sure that miracles happened. if mentioned in hadith which are graded as 'Sahih'(confirmed good and strong narrator chain and verified integrity, by the best of scholars in multiple ages till now from multiple places on earth), then you are 100% sure it did happen. If graded 'daef', (some doubt's regarding some links in the chain, or doubt regarding integrity), the chances of it being correct are more than 60-80% because they are kept there despite some doubts, then there are those hadith which don't qualify the tests (They are most likely wrong depending upon if it contains evidently wrong text or there are some missing links in narrator chain and some serious doubt's).

The best collection of Hadith is organised in Book's called the Six Cannonical books, Which contains Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Tirmidhi, An'Nasai', Abu-Dawood,Ibn'- Majah. Sahih Bukhari being the best recommended even among the six followed by Sahih Muslim and Tirmidhi (I don't remember the order of others). IT is all trust based

To convince yourself that you can trust the authenticity of what you hear from Quran and Hadith or even 'waqah'(narration of an event - althogh less common, not all waqah's are true, so remember that). It is best to meet a qualified muhadith and ask him narrate his chain of narrators up until him, and also ask him how this process works and evidently he would know more than me in regard.

  • That somewhat answers the Hadith part. But what about my main question? What are the clear proofs FOR US? We surely aren't supposed to just take their words are we? I mean their methodology might be very good and all, but are we just supposed to 'trust' them without knowing anything for ourselves? – Waqar Ansari Jul 15 '16 at 11:25
  • That way, I might even trust hindu scriptures (if I could rationalize them to myself). I ofc wouldn't have proofs for them, but Islam isn't giving any to me either right? (Please tell if I'm right or wrong) – Waqar Ansari Jul 15 '16 at 11:30
  • I kind of get what is rooting your confusion. you are confused about what to trust. But trust is an inherent thing in a person. Quran describes events and happenings, to teach us things and hold a lot of wisdom. Now the thing is whether you trust it or not. I trust it because I trust the sources. I trust sources because I know the verification process is too rigorous and the people involved are majorly (if not all) honest. Trust is the very basis of faith. – user9301 Jul 16 '16 at 9:07
  • So Islam doesn't have any proofs and is trust based only? Meaning you just gotta have faith on what you hear and read about the prophet (saw)? – Waqar Ansari Jul 16 '16 at 17:35
  • نْ نَشَأْ نُنَزِّلْ عَلَيْهِمْ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ آيَةً فَظَلَّتْ أَعْنَاقُهُمْ لَهَا خَاضِعِين َ If We willed, We could send down to them from the sky a sign for which their necks would remain humbled. – AmerYR Jul 17 '16 at 6:11

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