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I've just came across a comment from a (probably Christian)

I recently stumbled upon a Hadith that said this too!

Musnad Ahmad 16245—[Mua’wiya said]: I saw the prophet sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali, may the prayers of Allah be upon him. For no tongue or lips that the prophet sucked on will be tormented (by hell fire)

Which I can't even believe. This is disgusting and I do believe this is not real. So I searched for a while. What I came across is

ولن يعذب لسان او شفتان مصهما رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم

Referenced from musnad imam ahmad. v: 4. p: 91 — kanz-ul haqaiq. p: 62

And made a few more search and found the following Arabic websites discussing this issue

http://www.hurras.org

http://aljame3.net

However, I have no Arabic background to understand them. Can anyone shed some light about this issue?

  • Google translate can translate paragraphs, Allah knows best what happened is better to say as it appears people have different opinions on this therefore i would not take it into consideration my self as i do not know truly what has happened and these are all assumptions, only God knows the past and the future as god is the all knowing – Aboudi Oct 8 '14 at 20:58
  • WE have enough knowledge of how to perform our worships that's what we are concerned about – Aboudi Oct 8 '14 at 21:01
  • Agreed. We are responsible of what is ordered in Qur'an and sunnahs of the prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam). However, if an atheist or christian comes to a Muslim with these kind of questions, he need to be capable of answering to them. That's the issue I'm concerning about. – ctr Oct 8 '14 at 21:39
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    I understand, but not every hadeeth is authentic, the Arabic sites you referred to mentions that this is a made up incident by the enemies of Islam and others say it truly happened but not in the same sense you mentioned, which explains why i repeatably said Allah knows best. – Aboudi Oct 9 '14 at 11:29
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    Whether the hadith mentioned is authentic or not, I don't see why that action should be labeled as "disgusting". Back in my home country it's a wide spread custom that parents and grandparents chew food and give it to infants directly from their mouths (just like how birds do). – ozbek Oct 9 '14 at 22:32
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There are two commonly used narrations about the said matter.

First is the one you've mentioned in Musnad Ahmed.

Second is from al-Adab al-Mufrad of al-Bukhari.

Both of these reports are not authentic.

The sanad for the first one is:

حَدَّثَنَا هَاشِمُ بْنُ الْقَاسِمِ، حَدَّثَنَا حَرِيزٌ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عَوْفٍ الْجُرَشِيِّ، عَنْ مُعَاوِيَةَ، قَالَ: رَأَيْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ

Abdul Rahman bin Abi Awf is unknown [said by Abul Hasan al-Qatan al-Fasi] and wasn't known to be a narrator of hadith.

The second narrations sanad is:

حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ الْمُنْذِرِ قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنِي ابْنُ أَبِي فُدَيْكٍ قَالَ‏:‏ حَدَّثَنِي هِشَامُ بْنُ سَعْدٍ، عَنْ نُعَيْمِ بْنِ الْمُجْمِرِ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ

Hisham bin Saed is weak as was said by Yahya bin Maen, and weakened by an-Nasai.

Hence, both reports have problems.

It should be noted that Arabs used to suck on their children's tongues to lower the child's thirst (ash-Shifa of Qadhi Iyad).

  • The 2nd narration is grade hasan. That does not mean inauthentic. – Alex Strasser Feb 14 at 6:15
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Your question is indeed so interesting. I found some similar matter(s) with some or even much differences. In truth, as a view of Shia and based on what I found:

The apostle of Allah (peace be upon him and his family) put his tongue in Imam Hassan’s mouth (when Hassan was a newborn), then Imam Hassan sucked it. Or as another issue, it is narrated that: (briefly)

Someday Imam Hassan was (so) thirsty, he asked his grandfather some water with much importunity; well, there was no water; afterwards The Prophet (pbuh) put his tongue in Hassan’s mouth, then he became completely satisfied (for his thirst). / Imam Hassan (a.s.) always was saying regarding this miracle (of The Prophet) that: thirst never overcome me after sucking The Prophet’s tongue (as his grandfather)…

مناقب الامام امیرالمومنین علی بن ابی طالب علیه السلام ، از محمد بن سلیمان کوفی، ص 232، ح 698.

Accordingly, it could be counted as an accepted hadith as a miracle of the apostle of Allah (peace be upon him and his family). Even there is another similar narration which has narrated concerning Imam Hussein (a.s.) which has mentioned in short as below

… Imam Hussein (a.s.) didn’t lactate, since his mother’s (Hazrat Fatimah-a-Zahra) breast milk was dry; So, Ibn Shahr Ashub quoted that … then The Prophet (pbuh) came, and put his finger in Hussein’s mouth, and he was sucking the Prophet’s finger. Moreover it has narrated that the apostle of Allah put his tongue in Hussein’s mouth (feeding…) …

Conclusion:

It can be considered as an acceptable matter by noting it as A MIRACLE OF THE PROPHET (pbuh) that Prophet Muhammad put his tongue in his grandson in order to feed him… , not as what is said somehow else.


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    yeah I agree with you one should accept otherwise should not use such words regarding hadith jazakAllah – Faqirah Oct 23 '15 at 22:41
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Yes, in addition to the source you quoted:

…For it was narrated by Fatimah Bint Asad, the mother of Ali – may Allah be pleased with her – who related that when she gave birth to her son, it was the prophet who named him Ali and the prophet spat in Ali’s mouth then allowed him to suck on his tongue till he fell asleep.

-Al-Amin Al-Ma’moun - Biography of Muhammad, Chapter: “The first people to believe in the prophet.”

Allah says Muhammad is the final judge

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.

-Qur'an 4:65

Muhammad did it. Therefore it is not sinful. You shouldn't take issue with it.

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