I have seen stuff like these, I dont remember exactly but here are some parts in my words:

  • the ink has dried destiny has been written
  • Allah makes path that is in destiny easier for the person.
  • no matter how much you work you will get what's destined

Then there things that seem to imply otherwise:

  • freewill is given so you make right or wrong choices and upon which you will be judged.
  • humans have free will and therefore they are punished or rewarded.
  • Destiny isn't something that decides what we do but something Allah knows you will do. (Whereas according to above what's written in destiny is what you will get)

So maybe destiny is something more fluid part of it gets decided while rest is left on us. I mean i don't know why there has been 2 conflicting ideas.

If i accept destiny is in our hands than somethings make more sense but there are clear hadith in fact if i am not wrong believing in destiny is fundamental part of faith. So if destiny isn't in our hands then what are we judged on? Not that i want to be judged.

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    dictators always promoted the belief among Muslims that destiny is made by God to prevent revolution of Muslims against themselves. this beliefs causes Muslims thinks this King is made by God as destiny of people. Umayyad and Abbasid Kings and current Kings promoted this belief among Muslims by hiring corrupted scholars. Mar 31, 2014 at 16:35
  • are you denying validity of some hadiths? we all agree that sins are wrong, and oppression is one of the biggest sins. Mar 31, 2014 at 17:06

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This is a long time ago discussion among two major parties in Islam. Fatalism(Aljabrieh) and mandate(Alekhtiyarieh).

What does that mean?

Fatalism: They say that we are obligated to do whatever ALLAH wants us to do and all of our state and live curve is just a path drawn for us and we have no choice or ability to change this destiny.

Mandate: They said No this is not true, we have the ability to do whatever I want whenever and however I want.

Now we can say both are False. Imam Sadiq (as) says that:

لا جبر ولا تفويض انما امر بين امرين

No fatalism not mandate, It's something between

So What is the thing between.?

The example that @Bludream is just great, but I'll give some more clarifications.

If we say that we are obligated to do everything then ALLAH is unfair if he wants to punish us if you make something bad. It axiomatic that to punish somebody you have to give him the ability to choose.

Now if you say that we are totally mandate and you have free will to do whatever, then what is the difference between us and a God?!! Moreover this can't be done, for example if someone wants to commit a suicide so this is his wish then he come to the fifth floor and fall down, Ok after that he didn't die!!! This happens... This prove that we are not totally free and we can't do whatever we want to do.

Check answers in this question: https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/11843/allah-knows-everything/11873#11873

For more information please refer to this: http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=1764

Edit: answering your comment.

To choose to commit suicide this is totally your decision and your free will. ALLAH told us that it's religiously not tolerable, and gave us brains and minds and feelings to feel and think and decide what is the best for us. So, If you want to commit suicide this is your free will. But this doesn't mean that you'll die. To die or not This is ALLAH's wish and Orders.

In simple words acts are free willing to do but Results come only from ALLAH.

  • so my question would be does that 'wanting' to commit suicide is freewill or does that 'wanting' arise because it's written in our destiny. Mar 31, 2014 at 17:11
  • @MuhammadUmer Check the edit
    – Maythux
    Apr 1, 2014 at 4:05

To clarify you this matter I want to use an example of a school class, God to be the teacher and the students as humans please bear with me.

  • Destiny is what God has decided for us on our path like a test that a teacher will prepare for his students.
  • The teacher already knows his students and the possible result but he takes the test as a proof for the students themselves and their parents.
  • The test is like our destiny. But we were free to choose any answer we wanted that's our free will.

Remember Allah is not restricted to time or other limitations of materialistic world of ours and therefore
for example:

if he wants to test you with a limited income then if you work 100 times more you'll again eventually end up with the same income (e.g. being forced to spend a lot for an accident) but that doesn't mean you should not find and try to do the best possible thing. you just shouldn't feel disappointed of continuing to do good. just find what good is to do

  • Maybe to work harder until you pass the test and Allah let's you have more income
  • Maybe to understand you are doing something wrong and you need to change it
  • or maybe you are just being tested for your endurance to continue your Halal work
  • ...

Our job is just to pass the exam as best as we can and to improve ourselves; not to think we are being forced and everything was already planned, it is just already known what we will do by Allah's unlimited knowledge.

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    This matter is actually a very high level discussion in Islamic sciences, I just tried to make it simple for you. If you like you can read some articles on this too which I'll try to add to my answer.
    – user4710
    Mar 30, 2014 at 3:48
  • We have choice in all parts of our life BUT our will is not like in parallel with God's, our will is the continuation of God's will. we can always decide about things but it is God who has already planned a test for us and he already knows how we will decide everything, he knows what will happen and what we will choose.
    – user4710
    Mar 30, 2014 at 3:52
  • I haven't heard that hadith and I don't know if prophet said to him to not tell anyone then why we know it now? but still it is correct I think the hadith says like everything(=our tests in life) has already planned.
    – user4710
    Mar 30, 2014 at 3:56
  • @muhammad umer, you deleted your comment?
    – user4710
    Apr 1, 2014 at 3:17
  • i couldn't find the source for hadith so i don't wanna spread stuff that i can't back up. The more i thought about it the more it felt that i was mixing stuff from three hadiths..but there was one...different wording similar idea..too bad i can never find hadiths. There should be a blog that writes description for every hadith out there it will take time but doable. This will enable us to search online. Even if the wordings are off. Isn't not true that there are even hadiths that have never been translated to any other language are in Arabic only. Apr 24, 2014 at 3:31

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