Timeline for For those who simply believe apostasy of any form is to be punishable by death, reconcile this
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| Sep 29, 2023 at 18:50 | comment | added | user56074 | @UmH “one can ask if a person wages war against the Muslim state without leaving Islam then can he be killed or not? Or if some Muslim tries to murder you can you kill him to defend yourself or not?” Im glad you mentioned this. The Abu Dawud Hadith states: “ one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle.” This doesn’t even mention them being an apostate! “Or if some Muslim tries to murder you can you kill him to defend yourself or not“ Both Hadiths clearly address the fact of Qisas for Murder. | |
| Sep 29, 2023 at 18:46 | comment | added | user56074 | “Does he shoot bullets in the sky” You seem to ignore the obvious possibility that waging war against the Muslim would be clearly synonymously seen as a war against Islam, Allah, and Muhammad. Furthermore, you ignore the Hadith that includes Allah’s apostle, which is a real person they can shoot bullets at. | |
| Sep 29, 2023 at 18:43 | comment | added | user56074 | “An apostate is no longer a Muslim, so how can a hadith protecting 'The blood of a Muslim' benefit him?” It’s not that the Hadith “benefits” him. It’s that these Hadiths point more to this prescribed punishment NOT being for any apostate. Furthermore, there is also protection for any non Muslim, as there nothing in the Quran and the Sunnah that commands us to execute those who aren’t Muslim living in a Muslim state, simply for their beliefs. (You can grossly misinterpret the sword verse or others if you’d like, abandoning all historical context of warfare) | |
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| Sep 29, 2023 at 12:33 | comment | added | UmH♦ | You think it means against the Muslims, then one can ask if a person wages war against the Muslim state without leaving Islam then can he be killed or not? Or if some Muslim tries to murder you can you kill him to defend yourself or not? If your answer is yes, then how do you reconcile that with this hadith? This hadith is understood to allows for killing an apostate regardless of what he does further and it allows for killing a bandit, regardless of whether he also apostatized or remains a Muslim. And the same is evident from other versions of the hadith and from other ahadith and Ijma'. | |
| Sep 29, 2023 at 12:32 | comment | added | UmH♦ | The site is not for debate, not for making statements, and nor for multi-part questions. The simple answer to your first query is that you misunderstand the hadith and scholars because of their wider knowledge understand it correctly. An apostate is no longer a Muslim, so how can a hadith protecting 'The blood of a Muslim' benefit him? It says war against Allah, how does a human fight against Allah? Does he shoot bullets in the sky? | |
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