Timeline for Do people who never convert to islam still go to hell even if they believe in God?
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| Sep 22, 2016 at 17:14 | history | edited | G. Bach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 22, 2016 at 17:13 | comment | added | G. Bach | @Aboudi Ah, I see - yes, that's true, thanks for the pointer. I'm adapting my answer. | |
| Sep 22, 2016 at 16:52 | comment | added | Aboudi | I was referring to the second point on the list of exceptions, which seems to indicate that it is okay to be ignorant, for example one may keep on carrying out a matter that may be against the teachings of Islam and refuses to find out what the Islamic perspective is on such matter, being afraid that if he does he can no longer carry it out, ofcourse considering that he had the opportunity to learn/ investigate and never did so | |
| Sep 21, 2016 at 8:46 | history | edited | G. Bach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 21, 2016 at 7:57 | comment | added | G. Bach | @Aboudi Hm, would those people not fall under the third group of people who are excused that I mention? | |
| Sep 21, 2016 at 7:49 | comment | added | G. Bach | @Medi1Saif As for is it just deeds or deeds and belief, this also seems clear cut to me, it is both; but I have never seen a scholar say deeds without faith are accepted. The only opinion I have ever seen in this regard is that someone without faith may receive the mercy of Allah if he had no faith through no fault of his own, i.e. he never received the message; I can't find someone saying such a person's deeds are accepted as those of a muslim would be, and I think that is because actions are by intentions, so how could someone who doesn't believe in Allah have intentions acceptable in islam. | |
| Sep 21, 2016 at 7:46 | comment | added | G. Bach | @Medi1Saif Of course the opinions of lay people are what shapes every day life, but they are not what constitutes authoritative doctrine within the tradition. I have never heard of any tenet of islam where the scholars held one opinion (for all intents and purposes) unanimously, the people another, and the scholars changed their position. | |
| Sep 21, 2016 at 7:44 | comment | added | G. Bach | @Medi1Saif I'm unwilling to evaluate the teachings of islam based on the view of lay people. I am very interested to find scholars who disagree with the view I summarised, but barring that, this view is the one with authority in the tradition as far as I can tell. Of course people may disagree with it, but - to give an example from a different tradition - many people who call themselves Catholics don't believe in the trinity, yet that doesn't make the view a faithful reading of Catholic sources nor a faithful application of Catholic methods nor a faithful adherence to Catholic tenets. | |
| Sep 21, 2016 at 6:37 | comment | added | Medi1Saif♦ | As you may read in many answers even if i heard a lot of scholars saying there's a clear cut IMO it is not clear at all neither in the Quran nor in the sunnah you may find texts supporting this single view. So it is our deeds our belief etc. which will be put on the scale and Allahs mercy on the other side. A single exception might be verse 4:48, but there seem to be hadiths which seem to go against it - which need to be examined carefully. P.s: I'm not the one who down-voted as if i did so I would either leave a comment or up-vote an existing comment explaining a possible down-vote reason! | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 19:30 | comment | added | G. Bach | @RebeccaJ.Stones I added references, thank you for the advice. | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 19:27 | history | edited | G. Bach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 20, 2016 at 19:16 | history | edited | G. Bach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 20, 2016 at 16:56 | comment | added | Aboudi | I would disagree with the point about learning, unless if they have a valid excuse (might be a disability of some kind) otherwise it would be classified as laziness and deliberate ignorance | |
| Sep 20, 2016 at 10:44 | history | edited | G. Bach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Sep 20, 2016 at 10:04 | history | answered | G. Bach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |