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Allaah says in Qur'an: “And do not kill yourselves. Verily Allaah is All-Merciful to you.” [Surah An-Nisaa: 29]

And He says: “And do not throw yourselves into destruction with your own hands.” [Surah Al-Baqarah: 195]

I can understand that the Shi'ites are mourning. However, this practice of harming oneself through chest beating to the point of bleeding excessively (Matam) and striking oneself with sword (Tatbir) seems to be something excessive and extreme that is prohibited in the light of above mentioned verses. You can see graphic images of these events all over the internet which I do not want to link here.

Moreover, the Grand Ayatollahs seem to endorse it as a desirable deed. There are news of Shia scholars favoring tatbir. However, I am not sure of its authenticity. Here are videos of some shia scholars endorsing tatbir (one even calling it wajib). How do Shi'ites justify this act when it contradicts the verses of Qur'an?

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Both verses you mentioned are about killing and not injury. although making harm to body is Haram in Islam but the verses you mentioned are not relevant. shia scholars have banned any kind of harming to body including this action.

The wiki link you mentioned is based on a Fatwa which is taken from this link: http://imamshirazi.com/tatbir%20fatawa.html (this is at references of your wiki link) this site is a fake site and has no address or telephone or known office.

this is not an official site and is a fake site.

Internet is full of fake websites to defame shia. I do not want to mention here what groups are making such sites against shia. they are known for envy with shia and Ahl Bayt.

You can see here what have said shia scholars about this: http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98

Also this is local culture and not based of shia Islam and mostly done by uneducated people in SOME local reagents. also in recent years this has reduced and most pictures are for past years distributed on Internet.

Shia scholars oppose this action but there are still ignorant and uneducated people not hearing to scholars. it is like saying why Muslims smoke while scholars say it is Haram (because scholars say anything having harm to body is Haram and smoke is harmful to body)

My final answer is this is local culture of some uneducated shia Muslims for mourning and not allowed in shia Islam.

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@Ahmadi nice answer but it would be great if you can produce a reference of a shia scholar who says this practice is unislamic or allowed and even praise worthy, what ever the case may be. –  muslim1 Sep 2 '12 at 23:39
I am reading this answer now and with all the comments inside the body of the answer, the answer doesn't make sense. @Ahmadi: Can you do some cleanup of the answer so that it is more coherent instead of the current state it is in. –  Aamir Sep 3 '12 at 4:24
Ahmadi, I removed my comments and yours from the answer for a bit more clarity. I would like to see some more answers from other Shia members. If there aren't any, I can gladly accept your answer. –  Abdullah Sep 3 '12 at 5:40
This answer needs a lot of clean-up. Please cite things relevant to your answer and remove all the links; they don't have anything directly to do with your answer. –  ashes999 Sep 9 '12 at 16:02

The verses that you have mentioned are totally irrelevant. They are about killing oneself. According to shia scholars hitting oneself with sword is haram. Just go to khamenei.ir for example and search for it. There is a link here as well, unfortunately in Persian. Use a translator for the last couple of questions.

Any thing that causes any harm to your body is haram. Doing professional sports also harms often but it is not considered as haram and it is permissible. This holds true for biting yourself with chain. If it harms you it is haram. Look the one before the last question in that link for the definition of harm.

Hope this helps,

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